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and it hits me oh my gosh this is that

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triangle you know there's explanation

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for everything that occurred in the

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rendlesham forest incident that doesn't

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involve aliens at all it was completely

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silent it comes right over our heads

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it's so a classic flying-saucer really

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standing in the clearing he turned over

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to my father and held his hand and he

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looked in his eyes and said we're not

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Martin Willis and the first part of the

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show today is going to be pre-recorded

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and I had to pre-record on Sunday May

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tenth just because I'm recording with

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Philip mantel he's in England and he's

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not able to actually be on the show live

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which is the middle of the night and I'm

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going to be away at a show work for work

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actually so I'm not going to be able to

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the way I had to work out the whole show

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today is going to be dedicated to the

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Roswell alien slides quote unquote first

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part of the show will be Phillip mantle

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and the second part of the show will be

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Kurt Collins he is going to be speaking

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on behalf of the Roswell slides research

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group now of course between Monday and

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Wednesday there is going to be a lot of

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changes the way this thing has been

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escalating so Kurt will update us on the

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live and right now in just a second

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we're going to be bringing on Phillip

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mantle and he is the editor of UFO today

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and a couple of things first I just want

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and Alejandro Rojas will not be on the

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show this week he's on the high seas on

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a cruise and I'm somewhere in a hotel

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and so we're going to get moving right

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now with Phillip mantle and one more

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thing I'm going to say this we're going

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to get over this the whole UFO field I

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think is going to get over this and we

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want to put this behind us I'm not going

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to talk about this every week this just

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show is dedicated to it and then we're

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just moving on from there because this

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is a black eye in the UFO community if

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you ask me and Phillip mantle across the

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seas how are you I'm fine mines not to

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speak to you again yes I think this is

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the third time you've been on the show

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if i remember right it probably yeah

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I'll take your word for that so I now

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fill the first time you were on the show

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we were talking about the alien autopsy

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film and your part in uncovering the

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hoax of that so you got to I'm sure when

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you open the file on like I'm I myself

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did and saw this image you know right

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away I went oh god you know I mean I

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just you know I address that in the last

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week's show i'm not going to get into it

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but you know the first thing i thought

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was is what it actually earned ended up

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being but tell me what your reaction was

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in the beginning and how you got to work

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on this thing well you might marching i

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mean i spent many years working on the

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evening autopsy film and you know the

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parallels between that and the so-called

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roswell slides to make it obvious and

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I'd like I hoped like everybody else

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Martin that I was wrong and that when

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the reveal came just a few days ago all

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made the fifth that you know something

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will be shown that you know would be

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worthy worthy of further study and I'm

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possibly rated to related to Roswell

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although we had our suspicions

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beforehand as you know Marty

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some time ago a blurry blurry right

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image was released and again it's it's

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the way information was released it's

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all been controlled by the people that

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on these sides their promoters is what I

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would call them and again it I'm not

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saying it's exactly the same as the

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alien autopsy film but there many

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similar similarities for example you

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know Ray Santilli who owned the alien

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autopsy film let our little snippets

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beforehand he got a number of people

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closely involved me being one of them he

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got his own experts to comment on the

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film before anyone else had seen it and

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they were experts Martin and brick you

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know I'm one of which was a weather was

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a well-known pathologist here in the UK

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who said that the creature was flesh and

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blood so the parallels are similar

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similar there before anyone saw the film

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that was bitsy pieces released there was

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some stills released in a magazine in

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France first here we are with the

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Roswell slides we get a blurry image

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that's released so the parallels were

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already building up before it were

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before the reveal on on made a fifth and

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of course once we saw the the clear

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photographs of this thing well you know

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again Martin with the greatest of

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respect to the individuals involved you

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didn't have to be an expert in anything

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to see that it was a desiccated human

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being or flying on us on display in what

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looked like him a museum display

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somewhere he's even got a little info

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placard right on the front and one

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around the other side and is even in a

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little item on display so he hit you

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right in the face the hold on a minute

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do you know this isn't all right this

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isn't not what we're expecting and of

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course I it in advance of this again

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using makes

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perience there any real research or

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whatever was going to be released

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wouldn't start until the photographs

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themselves were in the public domain and

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that's exactly what that's exactly

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what's happened Marty because again when

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I first saw the alien autopsy film it

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was in race antilles office in London

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and he going back to the old VHS video

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old days you put it in the video

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cassette player and show me and I was

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just thinking on my feet and I just

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thought what we need to do is to get

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this film into the public domain then we

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can really find out what's going on with

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it which is exactly what we did took a

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long time to finally get to the bottom

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of it good nevertheless that's what

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happened and it's the same with the

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so-called sides they've been released

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into the public some fairly high quality

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resolution images have been obtained I

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got a couple and of course people are

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better qualified than myself in in a

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variety of disciplines Martin you know

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that I assume that have used software on

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their computer to decipher the the

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information pluck out on the front for

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those don't know what it says it says

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it's a money of a two-year-old child and

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it's obviously it's on display somewhere

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and what I did to start off with is I

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sent a copy of the one of the pictures

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to a number of people in Egyptology and

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I just asked them to comment what do you

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think this picture is but number email

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me back saying sorry the pictures not

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good in a quality don't want to comment

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some did offer a comment and then when I

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asked him if I could quote them did

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obviously done their homework and then

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said no no way you're going to comment

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me on this or a couple there were a

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couple of Martin and well I've got more

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than a couple but I released a couple of

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names who said it's so mommy you know

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they couldn't you know just by a quick

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look at a photograph define what type of

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money where

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might have originated they just said

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each other you know this dial but

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nonetheless it's a mommy and when I

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asked if I could quote them disagree all

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means and these were you know I checked

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on online beforehand their credentials

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and they were certainly qualified more

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than qualified to make such comments so

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I'm at least that and then again you

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know with the beauty of the Internet

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today Martin you know information

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spreads like wildfire he mentioned Curt

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and his colleagues at the Roswell team I

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think they've done a fantastic job and

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others have followed suit of course you

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know they've taken taken their lead and

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and I've come up with all kinds of

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things I even hello gentlemen is well

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known i can quote him is it a model i

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would say a psychic so paranormal

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researcher dr. Barry Taff and he was

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fairly confident that he had actually

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seen this thing on display at one point

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there was a small museum as a small I

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don't know the actual side of it was

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certainly not the size of the British

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Museum all the Smithsonian her down in

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New Mexico near near the Carlsbad

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Caverns i think i pronounce that

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correctly mm-hmm it was called the

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million-dollar museum and it was full of

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all kinds of items martin you know the

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world and wonderful it may have ended up

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there at one point we also that they is

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it the messer per day right they are the

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museum and it looks like that the

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photograph may have been taken in that

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museum again I would believe thats in

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New Mexico again please excuse my

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pronunciations I come from Yorkshire

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Martina I'm not even English never mind

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anything else did the Pueblo Indians

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lived in that that that's a that place

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but nonetheless the messy bird a museum

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looks like the likely location of where

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these photographs were taken it cannot

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be a hundred percent

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positive Martin from a photograph the

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the fixtures and fittings that are on

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display match no yes furniture in the

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background match even even the tiles on

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the floor look that quite the same you

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can make comparisons between the two and

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like I say dr. Barry Taff he believes he

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may have even seen that the item on

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display at some point and you know

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information has been obtained that you

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know such mummies were on display there

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and of course on the black guard on the

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front is a gentleman's name or can't

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remember but he's associated both with

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the mr. Byrd a museum and he may have

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loaned the mummy together was a mr es el

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Palmer jr. that's the one I've San

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Francisco yeah because again and if we

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go back to that day and age the rules

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and regulations on archaeology and and

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an artifacts of that nature want as

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strict as they are today I mean II know

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you're going to dig anything up if you

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wanted you know with the regulations

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thankfully have changed since then so

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when it comes to the plaque out for

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example their curtains colleagues were

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accused by their promoters of committing

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hard great photo shots the the writing

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on it but they gave on lining a you know

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a PowerPoint presentation if you want to

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call it that but to show you how you can

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do it so others like I said downloaded

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the software and I've done exactly the

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same and got the same results pretty

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much it's a you know the moment mommy

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have a two-year-old child and I you know

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the several colleagues have done that

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totally independent of Curt and his

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colleagues well that's what you call

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science right nothing you know many

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scientists for example will do the same

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experiment at different locations and

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see what result they get if you go back

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to another famous scientific tests not

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wasn't placed on a photograph it was the

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Turin Shroud when they took some samples

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of it you know they give it to various

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locations and they all came back with a

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pretty much the same kind of thing

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so you know the plaque the plaque out

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and the writing on it has been verified

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it as far as I'm concerned I think this

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three or four different independent

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sources have come up with the same

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results what more can I say you know so

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we have you can read the blackout

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there's circumstantial evidence they may

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have been shot in the messy Verde museum

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because of the the backgrounds and the

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shelving and the display units and the

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flooring we have several archaeologists

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that I've released the names of two of

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them who just sent straight off the bat

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it's um for me you know didn't go into

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any great detail Justin ate some mummy

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and we even have a jet on them who may

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who may have seen the item on display I

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mean all that pretty much adds up Martin

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and in my mind it leaves the promoters

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with a little place to hide right they

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say the will try and hide but you know

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there you go yeah I I have a couple of

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questions for you and that is all right

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so I don't consider myself any more

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intelligent than Jaime mulsanne or Don

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Schmidt or tom carry or any of those

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guys one thing for the record I'm going

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to say that I believe that most of the

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people involved in this we're not

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perpetuating a hoax I believe that they

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just this is my own opinion of course

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but i think that they they just had this

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wishful thinking cloud their judgment or

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something but i think there is possibly

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one part party I almost hesitate to say

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the name but he was actually

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corresponding with a friend of the show

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here that helps out the show Adam do you

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know I mean he it seems like they mostly

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rests on his shoulders i don't really

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know for sure but here here's my

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judgment on this whole thing like I said

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I don't think I'm any smarter than any

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of these people that were involved at

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all and you know instantly everything

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about it screamed

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mummy in a museum first of all why would

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a body fresh body like that look like

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that even if it was burned or whatever

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secondly why would it not be

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refrigerated or preserved in some type

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of way and thirdly why would it be in an

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open glass display case with adjustable

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shelves all these questions came to mind

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instantly to me and like I said I'm not

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calling myself any brighter than anyone

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else I just as an observer how could

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these people like Jaime lasane Tom carry

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Don Schmidt but all these people except

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Jaime has been on my show nice people

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how could they how could this happen in

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your opinion there's a good question

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margin and again you know I'm not going

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to like yourself I'm not going to sit in

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judgment over anyone all of the dream

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team that Roswell dream team who were

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involved in this is course Anthony

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brad.leah and today Anthony's held his

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hand up he apologized and said you know

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it was a huge mistake he's blaming the

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gentleman you mentioned mr. do I've had

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no correspondence with him he's he Adam

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do you yes he's blaming him saying that

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you know they were only given bits of

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information and photographs weren't that

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great quality and so on but why you said

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Martin you don't have to be a professor

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Hawking's to look at the photograph and

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see what it is you know the old saying

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if it looks like a duck walks like it

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open quacks like a duck then he's a duck

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you know yeah it's as simple as that and

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you know I've got friends that are not

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involved in ufology and know nothing

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about it and I showed the picture to

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them and they said they were just amazed

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you know they could see that i express

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it all night said well it leaves it you

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know is it some kind of money you know i

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gotta tell you i I've showed the same

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thing I I work with a lot of young

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people in a startup company for my quote

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unquote you know real job right now I'm

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involved in a startup

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and you know I showed the image to all

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the guys there and they're laughing you

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know saying oh that looks like me after

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a night of tequila you know making fun

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of it and everything but I showed it to

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one person independently and she

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instantly looked at and these are this

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is just me myself showing the picture

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not saying a single word what do you

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think that is and she said it looks like

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an alien I was shocked so I mean so I

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can I can you know you can understand a

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little bit like someone might if they

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have a vivid imagination but to just to

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go all that way and let's talk about the

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five hour video you know that was a

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major undertaking for someone oh

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absolutely i mean that the you know the

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the presentation in mexico you know I'm

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led to believe was was you know was

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excellent I was going to view it later

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but I subsequently learned that way if

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you did access the online at a majority

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of it was in Spanish well I said no use

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to me but um again you know it doesn't

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matter again it has all of your

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hallmarks of the alien autopsy film

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Martin the release of information he's

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been controlled by its promoters whoever

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you want to label them as I'm mr. do I

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am assuming whoever you know the experts

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that they get up on screen now confirm x

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y&z are controlled by them and not

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independent we have no idea what they've

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been told or shown and race until he did

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exactly the same you know I think it was

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a professor Christopher Milroy who was a

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pathologist here in the UK put out a

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written statement that the alien autopsy

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film he'd been commissioned to look at

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it by Ray Santilli and he said it was

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flesh and blood and couldn't identify as

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a human and so on because it wasn't it

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was it dami you know so again why I

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suggested on I did a newspaper interview

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with somebody was that you must ignore

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any information that comes from the

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film's promoters just ignoring you

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cannot accept because it is being

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controlled you know they have a vested

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interest

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promoting these slides yep not you

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saying here we go there you go have a

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look at them you make over what you will

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know they have a vested interest there's

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a lot vested interest is there are some

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well as a money trail to begin with no

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people had to pay to go to this event in

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Mexico heads page of YouTube to to view

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it online and I believe there's a

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documentary called kodachrome other

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being made or in the making and i pray

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you know are there going to give that

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away from me I'm find it unlikely and

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you know so there is a money trail

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irrespective that it they have a vested

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interest in promoting this in a positive

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manner and the so-called experts they

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got up on the screen they are they're

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experts you know we have no idea what

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they've been told and of course when we

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go back to the pluck out all of them

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involved all of them and that includes

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carry and Schmidt said it was impossible

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for the writing on this placard to be

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deciphered it was too blurry and they'd

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use this expert this software and right

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and of course once high-res images of it

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were released that proved to be

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incorrect you know that you could

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decipher it so they shot themselves in

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the foot there big time but then then

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you know sometimes this happens when

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things out what they're supposed to be

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Martin and then the accusations came

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between oh that realized their mistake

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but again like I said this was all

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verified independently I guess three or

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four different source has done that so

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the shot the cells in the foot there and

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so you know my my predictions are you

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sadly so far you know approved it

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correct um you know I account see into

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the future i was just using my

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experience of being

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in this type of thing in the past and so

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far you know I think I think we're

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correct right now what do you think i'm

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going to ask this the same question to

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kurt in the second part of the show but

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first of all it's a two-part question

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someone like Richard Dolan you know he's

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he's been on this show and you you see

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him a lot and every almost every

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documentary about UFOs and things like

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that there's Richard Dolan and he he was

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in you know he went down there and said

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talked all about this slide and how he

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thought you know it was really something

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and all that and anyway anyway bottom

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line is he stood behind this slide is

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being real he's had some angry

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supporters of one in general in

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particular wrote on his facebook page

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look I went down I was supporting you i

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went down to mexico spent all this money

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you a public apology you know and all

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this stuff to me I think it really

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really hurts anyone's credibility

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involved in something like this how

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could they be so careless well anyway

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that was that was one question one part

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of the person yeah I mean I again I'm

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not going to defend mitch it's big

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enough to do that himself but in a

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roundabout way I can understand him

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going there barely mind the Ken that the

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you know the promoters of this events

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paid for Richards expenses to go down

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there wasn't paid a fee and so he was

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there they they believed by inviting

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Richard it would add credibility to the

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event Taylor that's right I'm done in my

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opinion I understand that Richard didn't

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make a presentation there he didn't say

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anything it was there purely as an

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observer initially before the light

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event he was shown the photographs to

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believe and he was very impressed and

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again in the auditorium I believe you

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could have the spanish-speaking experts

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translated into English our web I assume

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that x

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phones or whatever come he was impressed

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by their statements and I think it's

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only when he when he got back home and

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had time to reflect oh this is the way I

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interpret it and you know think about it

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he said well you know you must examine

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first what these experts have had to say

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and then of course it probably hit the

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fan and within no time at all serious

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discrepancies were being found in the

538
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:28,090
slides richard has obviously looked at

539
00:24:33,810 --> 00:24:32,410
these wait up the information of the

540
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:33,820
evidence whatever you want to call it

541
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:36,570
and any released another statement

542
00:24:41,850 --> 00:24:39,010
saying that you know despite everything

543
00:24:44,790 --> 00:24:41,860
he did believe it was a museum x you

544
00:24:46,590 --> 00:24:44,800
know exhibit you know didn't stay yes

545
00:24:48,780 --> 00:24:46,600
he's definitely a mummy but in other

546
00:24:53,940 --> 00:24:48,790
words it's not what they propose it is

547
00:24:55,620 --> 00:24:53,950
it's something mundane and I 12 wedding

548
00:24:57,780 --> 00:24:55,630
is pretty much left here that now

549
00:25:00,000 --> 00:24:57,790
whether you can argue that it's damaged

550
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:00,010
his credibility or not that that's a

551
00:25:06,570 --> 00:25:02,770
separate argument but I can kind of I

552
00:25:08,490 --> 00:25:06,580
can kind of understand Richard going

553
00:25:10,260 --> 00:25:08,500
down in the first place I mean it was

554
00:25:14,460 --> 00:25:10,270
going to be it was a big event let's not

555
00:25:17,370 --> 00:25:14,470
kid ourselves Martin and I thought to

556
00:25:19,890 --> 00:25:17,380
myself you know if I mean I I know Jaime

557
00:25:20,940 --> 00:25:19,900
of making several times if he'd phone me

558
00:25:22,530 --> 00:25:20,950
up and said they just want you to come

559
00:25:25,380 --> 00:25:22,540
along Phillip and we'll pay you you're

560
00:25:28,860 --> 00:25:25,390
flying your hotel and whatever they have

561
00:25:30,690 --> 00:25:28,870
turned him down maybe maybe the

562
00:25:33,330 --> 00:25:30,700
curiosity might just have got the better

563
00:25:35,850 --> 00:25:33,340
of me and said right I'm only way I

564
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:35,860
don't know I can see both sides of the

565
00:25:42,330 --> 00:25:38,770
argument about about Richard be he will

566
00:25:44,970 --> 00:25:42,340
defend himself I think we should really

567
00:25:48,060 --> 00:25:44,980
take him out of the equation for now

568
00:25:52,290 --> 00:25:48,070
because he's had no real involvement

569
00:25:54,690 --> 00:25:52,300
behind the scenes with these slides the

570
00:25:56,970 --> 00:25:54,700
so-called some of some of the some of

571
00:25:59,340 --> 00:25:56,980
the members of the so-called Roswell

572
00:26:00,740 --> 00:25:59,350
dream team like Tom Carrie Donna Schmidt

573
00:26:03,410 --> 00:26:00,750
Anthony Bradley

574
00:26:06,170 --> 00:26:03,420
have been involved right and have been

575
00:26:08,330 --> 00:26:06,180
making positive statements you know

576
00:26:09,950 --> 00:26:08,340
Anthony's held his hand up and said we

577
00:26:14,180 --> 00:26:09,960
you know we got it wrong but it also

578
00:26:16,100 --> 00:26:14,190
claims that Adam do said them incorrect

579
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:16,110
information or the photographs but I'm

580
00:26:22,370 --> 00:26:19,530
not great and so on you know but the

581
00:26:25,430 --> 00:26:22,380
others as possible where mr. Carey and

582
00:26:28,490 --> 00:26:25,440
Donna Schmidt haven't said anything as

583
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:28,500
yet which I find curious are up there

584
00:26:35,270 --> 00:26:33,450
may be under a storm of protest Martin

585
00:26:37,070 --> 00:26:35,280
us I think you know they've been a

586
00:26:38,900 --> 00:26:37,080
bunker somewhere that's what I would I

587
00:26:42,530 --> 00:26:38,910
was in their position you know I love me

588
00:26:44,570 --> 00:26:42,540
we're celebrating the anniversary of

589
00:26:46,190 --> 00:26:44,580
what we call VE day to day I was

590
00:26:50,330 --> 00:26:46,200
picturing in Europe in the second world

591
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:50,340
war followed not one of course my v-j

592
00:26:55,460 --> 00:26:52,650
day victory in Japan by the American

593
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:55,470
forces but sound you know how it just

594
00:26:58,730 --> 00:26:57,090
reminded me watching the service is

595
00:27:01,490 --> 00:26:58,740
there was thinking about this i think i

596
00:27:06,290 --> 00:27:01,500
would surpass they should be in a bunker

597
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:06,300
somewhere be well and so I can

598
00:27:10,220 --> 00:27:07,650
understand Richard I think maybe

599
00:27:12,590 --> 00:27:10,230
curiosity got the better of him you know

600
00:27:14,900 --> 00:27:12,600
I did make up he did make up there was a

601
00:27:17,170 --> 00:27:14,910
video of him you know basically saying

602
00:27:19,610 --> 00:27:17,180
all the points why you know he believed

603
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:19,620
this was not a mummy and stuff like that

604
00:27:24,140 --> 00:27:22,050
you know so there is a video out there

605
00:27:25,130 --> 00:27:24,150
of him I've seen it I've seen it but

606
00:27:27,230 --> 00:27:25,140
i'll give you I'll give you another

607
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:27,240
scenario just to give you an example

608
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:32,930
Martin in 2006 back end of 2006 I

609
00:27:40,730 --> 00:27:37,290
finally finally cook pay to the alien

610
00:27:42,140 --> 00:27:40,740
autopsy film I met and found the man who

611
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:42,150
led the team that hate it was called

612
00:27:46,340 --> 00:27:44,730
sparrows Morales I interviewed in a

613
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:46,350
couple of times on the telephone first

614
00:27:52,550 --> 00:27:50,010
then I went to his house in the South of

615
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:52,560
England view Woody's documentary

616
00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:55,410
evidence there was no question you know

617
00:27:59,330 --> 00:27:57,570
I finally finally proved it was a fake

618
00:28:00,980 --> 00:27:59,340
we knew it was a fake just couldn't

619
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:00,990
prove it and we've been looking for this

620
00:28:05,930 --> 00:28:02,610
guy we knew his first name for years

621
00:28:09,980 --> 00:28:05,940
Spiros you put Spiro single bloods hear

622
00:28:13,030 --> 00:28:09,990
what you get you know but the following

623
00:28:16,120 --> 00:28:13,040
year and hadn't released anything

624
00:28:19,540 --> 00:28:16,130
spiros we were still working on it a

625
00:28:25,330 --> 00:28:19,550
colleague of mine invited me over to the

626
00:28:30,430 --> 00:28:25,340
states to Roswell to the the conference

627
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:30,440
there and he paid for y'all Amy he is a

628
00:28:35,350 --> 00:28:32,810
big supporter of the alien autopsy film

629
00:28:37,030 --> 00:28:35,360
even now he still believed it's real so

630
00:28:40,180 --> 00:28:37,040
I had this information that I wasn't

631
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:40,190
like and if he flew me over there and

632
00:28:45,340 --> 00:28:41,690
then you really have the heart to tell

633
00:28:48,670 --> 00:28:45,350
him you know I really didn't matter

634
00:28:50,350 --> 00:28:48,680
whether you know Richard felt obliged to

635
00:28:52,780 --> 00:28:50,360
say something positive while he was

636
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:52,790
there you know they'd paid for his

637
00:28:57,010 --> 00:28:55,250
flight and everything I again I don't

638
00:28:59,440 --> 00:28:57,020
know I'm only speculating I can

639
00:29:01,600 --> 00:28:59,450
understand that but again she'd take

640
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:01,610
Richard out of the equation because he's

641
00:29:06,340 --> 00:29:03,770
had no real involvement he flew down

642
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:06,350
there watched it made a statement it's

643
00:29:11,230 --> 00:29:08,450
realized his error and as we attracted

644
00:29:13,630 --> 00:29:11,240
it kind of when it's finally got a home

645
00:29:17,170 --> 00:29:13,640
and had time to think about it it's the

646
00:29:21,820 --> 00:29:17,180
others as I've said mr. Bragg Leah mr.

647
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:21,830
Kerry mr. Smith they're the ones that we

648
00:29:25,990 --> 00:29:24,050
should be looking at in Jaime you know

649
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:26,000
Anthony Bradley Ellis is held his hand

650
00:29:30,550 --> 00:29:28,010
up don't agree with everything was said

651
00:29:32,820 --> 00:29:30,560
but he's apologized whether that will

652
00:29:34,990 --> 00:29:32,830
damage his reputation or not I'll leave

653
00:29:38,500 --> 00:29:35,000
those them to come to their own

654
00:29:40,510 --> 00:29:38,510
conclusions Yahoo know what who knows

655
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:40,520
what's going to happen between now and

656
00:29:47,170 --> 00:29:42,650
when the show airs on Wednesday either

657
00:29:49,690 --> 00:29:47,180
but I you know I give kudos to to Tony

658
00:29:52,780 --> 00:29:49,700
for actually being the first one to come

659
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:52,790
forward and admit the mistake so the

660
00:29:59,880 --> 00:29:57,410
other part of this question is is how do

661
00:30:03,670 --> 00:29:59,890
you believe this will hurt the whole

662
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:03,680
Roswell investigation in general well

663
00:30:08,890 --> 00:30:06,530
you know that's a good question because

664
00:30:11,650 --> 00:30:08,900
the same was said over the alien autopsy

665
00:30:14,500 --> 00:30:11,660
film Martinez it always will well damage

666
00:30:17,950 --> 00:30:14,510
Rose well it will damage you apology or

667
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:17,960
damage UFO research but in reality quite

668
00:30:24,340 --> 00:30:20,810
the opposite happened what it did it

669
00:30:25,230 --> 00:30:24,350
raised the interest in the subject I'm

670
00:30:28,020 --> 00:30:25,240
in control

671
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:28,030
sells Martin right yeah I know we don't

672
00:30:36,450 --> 00:30:31,450
like it but it does it's put Roswell

673
00:30:38,970 --> 00:30:36,460
UFOs backing the news that you know the

674
00:30:41,430 --> 00:30:38,980
the today's maybe not the main steam use

675
00:30:44,220 --> 00:30:41,440
not your local newspaper or or your

676
00:30:45,900 --> 00:30:44,230
dailies but today social media we didn't

677
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:45,910
have that back in in when they alien

678
00:30:51,420 --> 00:30:48,130
autopsy film came out and it's gone

679
00:30:54,020 --> 00:30:51,430
absolutely ballistic yeah you just have

680
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:54,030
to search hashtag Roswell slides

681
00:30:57,690 --> 00:30:55,930
absolutely so yes people are

682
00:31:00,020 --> 00:30:57,700
disappointed that they will make

683
00:31:02,490 --> 00:31:00,030
predictions that it will damage x y&z

684
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:02,500
but I would predict it will have exactly

685
00:31:07,950 --> 00:31:05,290
the opposite effect I may be wrong but

686
00:31:09,330 --> 00:31:07,960
again i'm only using my experience from

687
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:09,340
the alien autopsy will give me one

688
00:31:14,310 --> 00:31:11,890
example when the only autopsy films

689
00:31:17,790 --> 00:31:14,320
interesting it was at its height in the

690
00:31:19,500 --> 00:31:17,800
UK i won't mention any names but UFO

691
00:31:22,890 --> 00:31:19,510
researcher and author had a book out at

692
00:31:25,710 --> 00:31:22,900
the time and it wasn't me and although

693
00:31:27,750 --> 00:31:25,720
she was very critical of the film i'm

694
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:27,760
going to be very critical her book sales

695
00:31:34,110 --> 00:31:29,890
went up they had to do a reprint you

696
00:31:36,150 --> 00:31:34,120
know so i said well you know we've all

697
00:31:37,710 --> 00:31:36,160
benefited from it not from the film

698
00:31:40,350 --> 00:31:37,720
itself but from the interest is

699
00:31:44,580 --> 00:31:40,360
generated and I think you'll be the same

700
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:44,590
here that and again only time will tell

701
00:31:48,870 --> 00:31:46,930
but to me that's how it works when when

702
00:31:51,060 --> 00:31:48,880
there's ever a controversy and it hits

703
00:31:53,370 --> 00:31:51,070
the news people become interested they

704
00:31:55,710 --> 00:31:53,380
become engaged Martin that's the word I

705
00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:55,720
was looking for engaged you know where

706
00:31:59,430 --> 00:31:57,730
is that [\h__\h] about its arguing about

707
00:32:01,920 --> 00:31:59,440
it up falling out someone do their own

708
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:01,930
research you'll see people online now

709
00:32:07,140 --> 00:32:04,930
Martin looking at this film themselves I

710
00:32:09,300 --> 00:32:07,150
solid these two slides themselves doing

711
00:32:11,010 --> 00:32:09,310
their own research you know well it's

712
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:11,020
perhaps before they would just SAT idly

713
00:32:15,930 --> 00:32:12,970
by and read it and got lectures and the

714
00:32:18,330 --> 00:32:15,940
conferences and not do anything I once

715
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:18,340
the matter eventually been disappointed

716
00:32:22,980 --> 00:32:20,530
with the the end result they'll be

717
00:32:24,540 --> 00:32:22,990
pleased of how they got there if you

718
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:24,550
want me they've helped to their better

719
00:32:30,990 --> 00:32:28,210
contribution so I don't think it will

720
00:32:33,820 --> 00:32:31,000
damage anything as far as Roswell itself

721
00:32:36,159 --> 00:32:33,830
is concerned an old friend

722
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:36,169
on a colleague who now lives in the

723
00:32:41,529 --> 00:32:38,330
United States I'm sure you know him Nick

724
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:41,539
Pope yep probably the MLD he said last

725
00:32:48,159 --> 00:32:45,370
year the Roswell was dead anyway so

726
00:32:50,769 --> 00:32:48,169
whether whether this is the Grim Reaper

727
00:32:54,820 --> 00:32:50,779
hanging over it i seriously doubt i

728
00:32:58,019 --> 00:32:54,830
seriously doubt Roswell is the one case

729
00:33:00,460 --> 00:32:58,029
that refuses to lie down and die and

730
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:00,470
exposes in the alien autopsy film as a

731
00:33:05,259 --> 00:33:02,690
fake as a hoax because I money-making

732
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:05,269
scam didn't kill it off and I'm pretty

733
00:33:09,340 --> 00:33:07,010
sure these two slides won't kill it off

734
00:33:11,259 --> 00:33:09,350
either whether it damages the reputation

735
00:33:15,250 --> 00:33:11,269
of those involved or not remains to be

736
00:33:18,009 --> 00:33:15,260
seen but you have to remember that the

737
00:33:20,940 --> 00:33:18,019
champion of Roswell out of all of them

738
00:33:23,950 --> 00:33:20,950
is Stanton Friedman right and Stanton

739
00:33:26,289 --> 00:33:23,960
washed his hands of these slides right

740
00:33:29,259 --> 00:33:26,299
from the very beginning I think he he

741
00:33:31,539 --> 00:33:29,269
took sort of a neutral neutral but yes

742
00:33:36,159 --> 00:33:31,549
yeah he would have nothing to do with

743
00:33:39,730 --> 00:33:36,169
them right and so when it comes to

744
00:33:41,590 --> 00:33:39,740
Roswell you still have exchanged and of

745
00:33:44,139 --> 00:33:41,600
course Kevin Randall you know I know

746
00:33:48,039 --> 00:33:44,149
Kevin Wright washed his hands of demand

747
00:33:50,669 --> 00:33:48,049
and has written several items for it is

748
00:33:53,529 --> 00:33:50,679
written for our magazine at UFO today

749
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:53,539
about how the slides came about the

750
00:33:59,409 --> 00:33:56,210
evolution you know open till them until

751
00:34:01,149 --> 00:33:59,419
they were released and yeah you know in

752
00:34:03,399 --> 00:34:01,159
that article he hasn't said that fake or

753
00:34:07,500 --> 00:34:03,409
real is just documented how it all came

754
00:34:09,639 --> 00:34:07,510
about for those that weren't aware so um

755
00:34:11,290 --> 00:34:09,649
you know I think that he's still it will

756
00:34:14,619 --> 00:34:11,300
still have exchanged and Roswell will

757
00:34:17,500 --> 00:34:14,629
still go on and I know you know there

758
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:17,510
may be temporary damage Martin you know

759
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:19,010
much bit like a puncture on your tire

760
00:34:23,139 --> 00:34:21,530
you know what stops you care for a while

761
00:34:25,419 --> 00:34:23,149
because consume get it you'll soon get

762
00:34:27,310 --> 00:34:25,429
it fixed and on you go again yeah and i

763
00:34:30,399 --> 00:34:27,320
think was will bandwagon with people i'm

764
00:34:34,149 --> 00:34:30,409
rolling right well i think it was a PT

765
00:34:35,829 --> 00:34:34,159
Barnum said something like pub there's

766
00:34:39,250 --> 00:34:35,839
no such thing as bad publicity or

767
00:34:41,919 --> 00:34:39,260
something so I I understand where that's

768
00:34:43,770 --> 00:34:41,929
going I might I might try to reach out

769
00:34:46,750 --> 00:34:43,780
to Kevin he's been on the show before

770
00:34:47,740 --> 00:34:46,760
see if he can chime in and in the second

771
00:34:49,419 --> 00:34:47,750
part of the show

772
00:34:51,909 --> 00:34:49,429
again this is just speculation because

773
00:34:55,240 --> 00:34:51,919
this is Sunday and the show goes live on

774
00:34:58,330 --> 00:34:55,250
Wednesday you know I mean I jokingly

775
00:35:00,340 --> 00:34:58,340
said on a Facebook page that everyone

776
00:35:02,980 --> 00:35:00,350
involved should either hide under a rock

777
00:35:06,670 --> 00:35:02,990
or go to Scotland and start looking for

778
00:35:08,770 --> 00:35:06,680
Nessie on a permanent basis but you know

779
00:35:12,100 --> 00:35:08,780
I think there's going to have to be a

780
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:12,110
lot of damage control to you know try to

781
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:16,130
salvage you know I might reach out to

782
00:35:20,290 --> 00:35:18,770
Don Smith Schmidt and just get his

783
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:20,300
opinion I don't know if he would even

784
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:23,570
want to be chiming in at all but i

785
00:35:29,890 --> 00:35:27,530
really think that dawn just in general

786
00:35:33,610 --> 00:35:29,900
after watching him he seemed really

787
00:35:36,370 --> 00:35:33,620
convinced i think that Don just really

788
00:35:38,620 --> 00:35:36,380
bought it you know I've done I mean

789
00:35:41,140 --> 00:35:38,630
again we don't we don't know we can only

790
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:41,150
view the event you know and the the

791
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:43,970
comments they've made button until the

792
00:35:50,020 --> 00:35:47,570
slides would release to get you know an

793
00:35:52,450 --> 00:35:50,030
overview now of how they feel I think

794
00:35:54,940 --> 00:35:52,460
he's important and what do they make of

795
00:35:57,250 --> 00:35:54,950
the various revelations that have that

796
00:35:59,620 --> 00:35:57,260
have happened black the pluck out being

797
00:36:02,520 --> 00:35:59,630
deciphered and Egyptology have seen it's

798
00:36:06,490 --> 00:36:02,530
it's a money and all the other things

799
00:36:08,980 --> 00:36:06,500
you know it would I think they'll have

800
00:36:10,630 --> 00:36:08,990
to Martin at some point they're going to

801
00:36:11,890 --> 00:36:10,640
have to come out of hiding you know

802
00:36:15,130 --> 00:36:11,900
you're going to have to make a statement

803
00:36:17,410 --> 00:36:15,140
so album is you know stand with what

804
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:17,420
they've already said or like Anthony all

805
00:36:20,830 --> 00:36:19,130
the hand up and say sorry you know but

806
00:36:23,020 --> 00:36:20,840
we you know we've made a big mistake

807
00:36:25,300 --> 00:36:23,030
here and that may have happened while

808
00:36:28,030 --> 00:36:25,310
we've been talking for he know I think

809
00:36:30,790 --> 00:36:28,040
things with it slides are changing

810
00:36:32,770 --> 00:36:30,800
minute by minute not not they not be the

811
00:36:35,260 --> 00:36:32,780
end result but more is being added and

812
00:36:37,030 --> 00:36:35,270
someone said and I was reading it just

813
00:36:40,300 --> 00:36:37,040
before I started speaking to you what we

814
00:36:42,730 --> 00:36:40,310
need now Philippines is photograph seen

815
00:36:44,530 --> 00:36:42,740
seats you of the same money taken by

816
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:44,540
someone else you know what I visited at

817
00:36:50,170 --> 00:36:46,610
the Museum and so on and I said well you

818
00:36:52,210 --> 00:36:50,180
know maybe it's out there I don't know

819
00:36:55,030 --> 00:36:52,220
but I said that I know for a fact that

820
00:36:57,340 --> 00:36:55,040
he's on to try and find it now I found a

821
00:36:58,680 --> 00:36:57,350
photograph that was very similar not

822
00:37:00,750 --> 00:36:58,690
exactly the same

823
00:37:05,700 --> 00:37:00,760
but certainly a similar type of thing

824
00:37:09,089 --> 00:37:05,710
from the same area so the hunt is on and

825
00:37:11,150 --> 00:37:09,099
if there are or the photograph by versus

826
00:37:14,069 --> 00:37:11,160
less a similar line marketing and this

827
00:37:16,530 --> 00:37:14,079
so-called Roswell slide as I firmly

828
00:37:19,290 --> 00:37:16,540
believe is is a mummification of a small

829
00:37:23,430 --> 00:37:19,300
child on display in a museum somewhere

830
00:37:25,589 --> 00:37:23,440
and it's not a very exciting thing it's

831
00:37:27,599 --> 00:37:25,599
not King George you know I've seen him

832
00:37:29,700 --> 00:37:27,609
I've been to Edom seen him and he's not

833
00:37:31,559 --> 00:37:29,710
exciting either gonna be honest mounting

834
00:37:34,170 --> 00:37:31,569
you know you wouldn't take him to a

835
00:37:37,349 --> 00:37:34,180
party again or you [\h__\h] Halloween party

836
00:37:39,240 --> 00:37:37,359
yeah yeah but it's just one of a number

837
00:37:41,250 --> 00:37:39,250
of cured bills it's not their main

838
00:37:44,309 --> 00:37:41,260
attraction by any stretch of the

839
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:44,319
imagination but let's assume where I is

840
00:37:48,240 --> 00:37:46,210
a museum display so there is a

841
00:37:50,940 --> 00:37:48,250
possibility that ilysm you know walks

842
00:37:53,839 --> 00:37:50,950
around snapping pictures and taking

843
00:37:56,910 --> 00:37:53,849
photographs of me it may be now lying in

844
00:37:59,250 --> 00:37:56,920
a cellar somewhere if it finished it's

845
00:38:00,839 --> 00:37:59,260
time off at the million-dollar museum as

846
00:38:02,819 --> 00:38:00,849
some people speculated might have done

847
00:38:05,460 --> 00:38:02,829
that's closed and all the items were

848
00:38:07,770 --> 00:38:05,470
sold off but people are an electronic

849
00:38:10,770 --> 00:38:07,780
find where the items from there went who

850
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:10,780
bought them that of course again with

851
00:38:16,140 --> 00:38:13,210
the magic of the internet that makes it

852
00:38:19,980 --> 00:38:16,150
a lot easier so you know things change

853
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:19,990
rapidly and maybe they will find a you

854
00:38:24,540 --> 00:38:22,450
know a similar photograph taken in situ

855
00:38:27,990 --> 00:38:24,550
by you know mr. Smith for mr. Brown or

856
00:38:30,599 --> 00:38:28,000
whoever so the hunt is on so things will

857
00:38:33,240 --> 00:38:30,609
change rapidly but it's going to be

858
00:38:36,599 --> 00:38:33,250
interesting to see how the film's

859
00:38:38,670 --> 00:38:36,609
promoters react they've already said

860
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:38,680
that the deciphering of the placard was

861
00:38:45,180 --> 00:38:42,130
a fake that it was top dog shot right

862
00:38:48,300 --> 00:38:45,190
you know several independent sources

863
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:48,310
have done the exact same thing one of

864
00:38:52,260 --> 00:38:50,290
those independent sources is a is a

865
00:38:54,210 --> 00:38:52,270
colleague that I've been liaising with

866
00:38:57,599 --> 00:38:54,220
and I supplied him with the high

867
00:39:00,030 --> 00:38:57,609
resolution images and hanging was some

868
00:39:02,940 --> 00:39:00,040
supplied me with the high-resolution

869
00:39:06,450 --> 00:39:02,950
images so they've come from the direct

870
00:39:09,690 --> 00:39:06,460
source and he's come up with exactly the

871
00:39:11,359 --> 00:39:09,700
same conclusion you know that it says on

872
00:39:14,809 --> 00:39:11,369
the black alley somewhere over to you

873
00:39:19,700 --> 00:39:14,819
you know to you know child well so was i

874
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:19,710
shared a i was shared a email chain that

875
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:23,130
i believe i saw your name on as well and

876
00:39:29,720 --> 00:39:26,970
that was from jaime supposedly i can't

877
00:39:32,720 --> 00:39:29,730
say for sure it was but what is the size

878
00:39:35,870 --> 00:39:32,730
of a two-year-old ? answer 23 inches or

879
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:35,880
58 centimeters less than two feet what's

880
00:39:39,349 --> 00:39:37,650
the size of this body answer no less

881
00:39:42,259 --> 00:39:39,359
than four feet they are faking this

882
00:39:44,779 --> 00:39:42,269
Jaime yeah absolutely absolutely did say

883
00:39:47,450 --> 00:39:44,789
that so I challenged him a lot and I

884
00:39:50,210 --> 00:39:47,460
said how have you come to that

885
00:39:53,650 --> 00:39:50,220
conclusion how can you back up that

886
00:39:56,450 --> 00:39:53,660
statement right show me the mathematical

887
00:39:59,029 --> 00:39:56,460
formula that will allow you to do that

888
00:40:01,940 --> 00:39:59,039
it's a simple forgive you if you speak

889
00:40:03,799 --> 00:40:01,950
so again using experience that I've

890
00:40:05,299 --> 00:40:03,809
gained down the years in you in UFO

891
00:40:08,329 --> 00:40:05,309
research you have to be a jack of all

892
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:08,339
trades at times Martin and I remember

893
00:40:14,779 --> 00:40:11,130
sending some photographs alleged UFO

894
00:40:17,450 --> 00:40:14,789
photographs to dr. Bruce Maccabee and he

895
00:40:20,329 --> 00:40:17,460
asked me to take some measurements basic

896
00:40:22,069 --> 00:40:20,339
photo basically a guy looking out with

897
00:40:24,710 --> 00:40:22,079
bedroom window took fast naps of an

898
00:40:27,529 --> 00:40:24,720
alleged flying saucer so dr. Maccabee

899
00:40:30,650 --> 00:40:27,539
asked me to could I get access to the

900
00:40:32,839 --> 00:40:30,660
location yeah measure from where the guy

901
00:40:34,309 --> 00:40:32,849
was stood to the window there's some

902
00:40:36,410 --> 00:40:34,319
buildings outside you know in the

903
00:40:38,269 --> 00:40:36,420
background could I get the distance of

904
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:38,279
them which I did these are basic

905
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:40,890
photometric tests which would then allow

906
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:43,650
him to estimate the size of a bear these

907
00:40:48,079 --> 00:40:45,450
things anyway it turned out to be a fake

908
00:40:51,229 --> 00:40:48,089
you can actually stuck on the window so

909
00:40:53,150 --> 00:40:51,239
I said the same to homie okay there's a

910
00:40:57,109 --> 00:40:53,160
woman in the background how far away

911
00:40:59,690 --> 00:40:57,119
from the display is she stood how far

912
00:41:01,609 --> 00:40:59,700
was the photographer still away

913
00:41:04,009 --> 00:41:01,619
prominent display all these things you

914
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:04,019
would need to know to determine an exact

915
00:41:08,150 --> 00:41:05,970
size unless you have something in the

916
00:41:10,940 --> 00:41:08,160
frame next to this thing that you know

917
00:41:13,549 --> 00:41:10,950
is a common object so you can measure

918
00:41:15,769 --> 00:41:13,559
its size make them comparisons I said

919
00:41:19,549 --> 00:41:15,779
you know what cameras use you need to

920
00:41:23,059 --> 00:41:19,559
know you know the lens is as always for

921
00:41:24,190 --> 00:41:23,069
example well of course it easy phelipe

922
00:41:25,839 --> 00:41:24,200
it's only guessing

923
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:25,849
well exactly is only guessing in other

924
00:41:33,130 --> 00:41:29,810
words they didn't know so you know any

925
00:41:36,670 --> 00:41:33,140
information like that is worthless well

926
00:41:39,700 --> 00:41:36,680
also for instance the placard when the

927
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:39,710
placard was written you know the age was

928
00:41:44,220 --> 00:41:42,290
probably an estimation as well I mean or

929
00:41:47,740 --> 00:41:44,230
that could have been off but that's

930
00:41:49,780 --> 00:41:47,750
besides the fact absolutely you know

931
00:41:51,910 --> 00:41:49,790
again yeah absolutely a two-year-old

932
00:41:54,609 --> 00:41:51,920
child I mean I've been to the Cairo

933
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:54,619
Museum and look at some of those

934
00:41:57,849 --> 00:41:56,450
fabulous artifacts they have there and

935
00:41:59,530 --> 00:41:57,859
so are those believe it or not marching

936
00:42:01,210 --> 00:41:59,540
just have a bit of paper stuck on the

937
00:42:04,420 --> 00:42:01,220
wall next to them to tell you what it is

938
00:42:06,670 --> 00:42:04,430
you know and there are other things in

939
00:42:08,079 --> 00:42:06,680
there that they've had for a while on

940
00:42:11,050 --> 00:42:08,089
the still not quite sure what they are

941
00:42:13,720 --> 00:42:11,060
you know but yeah it could be an

942
00:42:15,130 --> 00:42:13,730
estimated age we're not saying it's the

943
00:42:16,990 --> 00:42:15,140
body of a two-year-old child what

944
00:42:20,710 --> 00:42:17,000
they're saying is that's what the pluck

945
00:42:23,500 --> 00:42:20,720
ad says break if it does not say this is

946
00:42:25,180 --> 00:42:23,510
a looming of a deadly alien you know

947
00:42:28,300 --> 00:42:25,190
this is it's a memory of a two-year-old

948
00:42:31,660 --> 00:42:28,310
child it may be an estimated age it may

949
00:42:34,329 --> 00:42:31,670
have been tested for all we know and

950
00:42:36,190 --> 00:42:34,339
we've come up with the the information

951
00:42:37,829 --> 00:42:36,200
that it's approximately two years it was

952
00:42:42,190 --> 00:42:37,839
to proximate to you knows when he died

953
00:42:43,870 --> 00:42:42,200
who knows but the point is let's go down

954
00:42:46,150 --> 00:42:43,880
the other room art and let's say we

955
00:42:50,470 --> 00:42:46,160
believe firmly that aliens crashed at

956
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:50,480
roswell in 1947 and the the dead bodies

957
00:42:55,569 --> 00:42:53,810
were recovered by the pod prodigies

958
00:42:58,109 --> 00:42:55,579
wherever you want to say they are and

959
00:43:00,160 --> 00:42:58,119
they were whipped away somewhere

960
00:43:03,220 --> 00:43:00,170
anything going to stick it on a glass

961
00:43:05,589 --> 00:43:03,230
shelf out in the open it would saw light

962
00:43:07,630 --> 00:43:05,599
coming through the window behind hmm you

963
00:43:11,290 --> 00:43:07,640
know with something else on display next

964
00:43:12,490 --> 00:43:11,300
to it behind it for all to see yeah

965
00:43:14,829 --> 00:43:12,500
there wasn't no it's a part of the

966
00:43:17,559 --> 00:43:14,839
spacecraft behind it there's a

967
00:43:19,660 --> 00:43:17,569
desiccated body so yeah you know how'd

968
00:43:22,839 --> 00:43:19,670
the the Roswell aliens the reason why

969
00:43:25,349 --> 00:43:22,849
it's crushed that they dried out on

970
00:43:29,349 --> 00:43:25,359
routes and of course it's not damaged

971
00:43:32,829 --> 00:43:29,359
it's not all broke them a mangled up it

972
00:43:35,770 --> 00:43:32,839
doesn't make any sense you know I've had

973
00:43:37,630 --> 00:43:35,780
uh you know I want to say friendly

974
00:43:41,170 --> 00:43:37,640
arguments with a

975
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:41,180
someone on this that was on the other

976
00:43:47,230 --> 00:43:45,890
side you know well you know and I know

977
00:43:50,769 --> 00:43:47,240
she's going to get mad at me for talking

978
00:43:53,259 --> 00:43:50,779
about it but like she said well maybe

979
00:43:56,319 --> 00:43:53,269
alien bodies don't you know decompose

980
00:43:58,329 --> 00:43:56,329
like so they didn't have to you know

981
00:44:01,839 --> 00:43:58,339
preserve it in any type of way and we

982
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:01,849
went back back and forth for 42 days and

983
00:44:06,039 --> 00:44:04,130
I said you know it's a museum but it's

984
00:44:08,079 --> 00:44:06,049
not to say that you know I'm right

985
00:44:10,839 --> 00:44:08,089
you're wrong type of thing I think this

986
00:44:13,299 --> 00:44:10,849
is stirred up a major debate and I

987
00:44:14,620 --> 00:44:13,309
wanted to ask you another two part

988
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:14,630
question one do you think there'll be

989
00:44:19,019 --> 00:44:17,210
any lawsuits and number two do you think

990
00:44:22,990 --> 00:44:19,029
they'll any diehards that'll just keep

991
00:44:25,210 --> 00:44:23,000
hanging on to the idea well part 10

992
00:44:28,329 --> 00:44:25,220
rounds I think he's highly unlikely to

993
00:44:30,609 --> 00:44:28,339
be any lawsuits again you know people

994
00:44:33,910 --> 00:44:30,619
ask me that same question about Ray

995
00:44:36,609 --> 00:44:33,920
Santilli an azalea not autopsy film but

996
00:44:38,319 --> 00:44:36,619
you know TV companies paid lots of money

997
00:44:40,210 --> 00:44:38,329
for it they said to me it's not what he

998
00:44:42,009 --> 00:44:40,220
claimed it was a stripper the cheek TV

999
00:44:44,650 --> 00:44:42,019
companies also made money out of it so

1000
00:44:47,559 --> 00:44:44,660
how we gonna sue him did have you know

1001
00:44:50,349 --> 00:44:47,569
did by showing the film on TV did did

1002
00:44:52,450 --> 00:44:50,359
you know did their company collapse so

1003
00:44:55,240 --> 00:44:52,460
or whatever and no they made money out

1004
00:44:57,640 --> 00:44:55,250
of it you know it it's just so I think

1005
00:44:58,870 --> 00:44:57,650
that's highly like you one or two people

1006
00:45:02,730 --> 00:44:58,880
might scream when that's for the money

1007
00:45:05,289 --> 00:45:02,740
back oh it's alex fair enough you know

1008
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:05,299
which is exactly what happened with Sam

1009
00:45:09,130 --> 00:45:07,130
chillingly an autopsy film when he sold

1010
00:45:11,019 --> 00:45:09,140
copies of the film he put a little rider

1011
00:45:13,930 --> 00:45:11,029
on it somewhere so if you want happy

1012
00:45:15,460 --> 00:45:13,940
giving you money back you know so people

1013
00:45:17,769 --> 00:45:15,470
might claim their money back for going

1014
00:45:19,299 --> 00:45:17,779
there I don't know who'll be bothered I

1015
00:45:23,289 --> 00:45:19,309
mean I don't think it was a huge fee to

1016
00:45:27,099 --> 00:45:23,299
get in tell you that's unlikely and as

1017
00:45:29,259 --> 00:45:27,109
for the diehards then ones already held

1018
00:45:31,630 --> 00:45:29,269
his hand up and said I'm sorry she's

1019
00:45:34,690 --> 00:45:31,640
Anthony Bradley of course there will

1020
00:45:36,970 --> 00:45:34,700
always be the diehards that have dug

1021
00:45:39,940 --> 00:45:36,980
their heels in right away and I'm I'm

1022
00:45:42,819 --> 00:45:39,950
not going to mention any names and and

1023
00:45:46,720 --> 00:45:42,829
who will not give in and they will make

1024
00:45:47,630 --> 00:45:46,730
all kinds of lame excuses for it Martin

1025
00:45:50,720 --> 00:45:47,640
ill and it

1026
00:45:53,150 --> 00:45:50,730
infinitum like I said colleague and

1027
00:45:57,500 --> 00:45:53,160
friend of mine who flew me out to to

1028
00:45:58,880 --> 00:45:57,510
Ozma in 2007 despite me telling him and

1029
00:46:01,210 --> 00:45:58,890
showing him everything I've got on the

1030
00:46:03,740 --> 00:46:01,220
alien autopsy film think some wrong

1031
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:03,750
looks he's all [\h__\h] lies not online

1032
00:46:11,420 --> 00:46:06,690
and he believes that he oh it's

1033
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:11,430
offensive anticipate this very day you

1034
00:46:16,820 --> 00:46:13,890
know so you will get them who it will be

1035
00:46:21,350 --> 00:46:16,830
remains to be seen and that's going to

1036
00:46:23,750 --> 00:46:21,360
be the fun part Martin is to see how the

1037
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:23,760
promoter is regal and they will regal

1038
00:46:29,090 --> 00:46:25,530
make no mistake of it they will blame

1039
00:46:31,310 --> 00:46:29,100
somebody else it wasn't me you know they

1040
00:46:34,030 --> 00:46:31,320
will blame somebody else they will crop

1041
00:46:38,330 --> 00:46:34,040
their experts until the mall in the face

1042
00:46:42,170 --> 00:46:38,340
all it was simply ignore any evidence

1043
00:46:45,140 --> 00:46:42,180
that others come forward with and they

1044
00:46:47,810 --> 00:46:45,150
will restrict if not you know not allow

1045
00:46:51,170 --> 00:46:47,820
any further access to any information

1046
00:46:53,180 --> 00:46:51,180
you know I think that realizes a big

1047
00:46:54,620 --> 00:46:53,190
mistake by you know in all of a

1048
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:54,630
confident really by Allah in these

1049
00:46:57,410 --> 00:46:56,010
pictures out because I think when they

1050
00:47:01,910 --> 00:46:57,420
showed it on the screen you couldn't

1051
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:01,920
read the plaque out you know so they

1052
00:47:06,290 --> 00:47:03,810
will regal there will be the diehards

1053
00:47:07,850 --> 00:47:06,300
who they'll be remains to be seen I've

1054
00:47:11,210 --> 00:47:07,860
got a couple of ideas but I won't say

1055
00:47:12,860 --> 00:47:11,220
anything and you know they'll argue till

1056
00:47:14,870 --> 00:47:12,870
they're blue in the face but eventually

1057
00:47:17,510 --> 00:47:14,880
people will stop taking any notice of

1058
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:17,520
them and I've already got irritated with

1059
00:47:21,470 --> 00:47:18,810
a couple and I'm say well that's a bit

1060
00:47:24,140 --> 00:47:21,480
disrespectful teasing to hear you say

1061
00:47:26,270 --> 00:47:24,150
that Phillip so I apologize for that I

1062
00:47:28,010 --> 00:47:26,280
wasn't very polite but I'm you know I'm

1063
00:47:32,570 --> 00:47:28,020
a grumpy old man at times Martin I'm

1064
00:47:34,250 --> 00:47:32,580
sorry you know so that yes you know so

1065
00:47:36,740 --> 00:47:34,260
analysis to your question part 1 and

1066
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:36,750
doubt will be any lawsuits part 2

1067
00:47:41,270 --> 00:47:39,210
they'll certainly be some diehards will

1068
00:47:43,940 --> 00:47:41,280
hang on in there all those will fall by

1069
00:47:47,870 --> 00:47:43,950
the wayside all right now this is uh

1070
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:47,880
this is the last question for you and

1071
00:47:52,970 --> 00:47:50,610
that is all right someone comes to you

1072
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:52,980
and they say all right I have Roswell I

1073
00:47:56,900 --> 00:47:54,930
the slides that I think are in Roswell

1074
00:48:01,490 --> 00:47:56,910
and I want you to handle this situation

1075
00:48:04,490 --> 00:48:01,500
and you it's all up to you

1076
00:48:06,830 --> 00:48:04,500
you you handle it I want a big to-do

1077
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:06,840
about this a big release here's the

1078
00:48:11,720 --> 00:48:10,290
slides what are you gonna do well that's

1079
00:48:13,670 --> 00:48:11,730
a good question because believe me I

1080
00:48:16,460 --> 00:48:13,680
know friend I had lunch with yesterday

1081
00:48:18,890 --> 00:48:16,470
asked me the exact same question he said

1082
00:48:20,630 --> 00:48:18,900
if somebody had evidence of this kind

1083
00:48:23,300 --> 00:48:20,640
against a slide did you said evidence

1084
00:48:24,890 --> 00:48:23,310
what would you do Phillip but it's a

1085
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:24,900
good question much and it's not a

1086
00:48:30,260 --> 00:48:27,450
straightforward as you would imagine

1087
00:48:32,750 --> 00:48:30,270
however i did say why would first do i

1088
00:48:36,140 --> 00:48:32,760
would notify a number of colleagues i

1089
00:48:38,240 --> 00:48:36,150
know in respect which is what i did with

1090
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:38,250
the alien autopsy film in those days

1091
00:48:42,170 --> 00:48:40,290
there was no email so I literally wrote

1092
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:42,180
to a number of individuals in different

1093
00:48:48,470 --> 00:48:46,170
parts of the world that I knew I could

1094
00:48:51,380 --> 00:48:48,480
trust I knew I could respect and they

1095
00:48:53,090 --> 00:48:51,390
wouldn't let leaked anything to begin

1096
00:48:55,340 --> 00:48:53,100
with and I wrote them and told them what

1097
00:48:58,010 --> 00:48:55,350
Sam said he was claiming and I kept them

1098
00:49:01,220 --> 00:48:58,020
updated you know I another one breathed

1099
00:49:03,890 --> 00:49:01,230
the word of it so we kept in confidence

1100
00:49:05,630 --> 00:49:03,900
because again Santilli was promising me

1101
00:49:07,700 --> 00:49:05,640
all kinds of things and I'm telling them

1102
00:49:09,290 --> 00:49:07,710
he's it's saying he's going to supply me

1103
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:09,300
with bits of film and bits of this

1104
00:49:15,380 --> 00:49:11,970
because it never came and now had that

1105
00:49:17,510 --> 00:49:15,390
changed had Santa Lee given me some

1106
00:49:20,180 --> 00:49:17,520
16-millimeter film with images of the

1107
00:49:22,430 --> 00:49:20,190
creature on it then things would have

1108
00:49:23,990 --> 00:49:22,440
changed I would have then been sent to

1109
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:24,000
my colleagues I would not accept it to

1110
00:49:28,490 --> 00:49:26,850
myself there is no way you know and i

1111
00:49:31,610 --> 00:49:28,500
will be taking advice from them and

1112
00:49:33,170 --> 00:49:31,620
saying right this is what i have i may

1113
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:33,180
be able to make you a copy of it so you

1114
00:49:37,550 --> 00:49:34,650
can see it for yourself but I've got the

1115
00:49:39,380 --> 00:49:37,560
I've got the genuine article here what

1116
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:39,390
is the best way to go forward on this

1117
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:41,970
and we're going to work together you

1118
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:45,690
know because again Martin you know we

1119
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:47,850
all have our as we've seen with the

1120
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:50,850
release of these slides we all have our

1121
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:53,610
own little bit so call it expertise but

1122
00:49:59,000 --> 00:49:56,010
I don't mean that you know people have

1123
00:50:02,120 --> 00:49:59,010
got in touch with Egyptologists with

1124
00:50:04,220 --> 00:50:02,130
pathologists you know with with computer

1125
00:50:05,720 --> 00:50:04,230
experts once they've got the hands on

1126
00:50:07,220 --> 00:50:05,730
the slides of only two old on their

1127
00:50:08,540 --> 00:50:07,230
little bit of thing and I would have

1128
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:08,550
done the same but I would have done it

1129
00:50:13,609 --> 00:50:10,530
collective listen right what's the best

1130
00:50:16,930 --> 00:50:13,619
way to proceed when we came to a consent

1131
00:50:19,489 --> 00:50:16,940
says then we move forward I will say I

1132
00:50:21,079 --> 00:50:19,499
don't have any problem in making with

1133
00:50:23,720 --> 00:50:21,089
people making money out if it's the

1134
00:50:25,789 --> 00:50:23,730
genuine article right yeah I don't have

1135
00:50:29,019 --> 00:50:25,799
a problem with that because let's just

1136
00:50:33,079 --> 00:50:29,029
let's assume writing I've got a cracking

1137
00:50:34,670 --> 00:50:33,089
piece of film here of X that I've I you

1138
00:50:37,130 --> 00:50:34,680
know I genuinely believe he's authentic

1139
00:50:38,930 --> 00:50:37,140
and about it tested you know here then

1140
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:38,940
in everywhere and I want to reveal it

1141
00:50:42,079 --> 00:50:40,410
well why do you go with it let's say

1142
00:50:44,539 --> 00:50:42,089
we've gone down that track now marching

1143
00:50:47,420 --> 00:50:44,549
in you know these experts have

1144
00:50:49,430 --> 00:50:47,430
authenticated it they will have to go on

1145
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:49,440
the record like I said there was a

1146
00:50:54,079 --> 00:50:51,690
number of Egyptologists came back and

1147
00:50:55,759 --> 00:50:54,089
said think it's a mommy but don't call

1148
00:50:57,859 --> 00:50:55,769
me so I'm not allowed to mention their

1149
00:51:00,499 --> 00:50:57,869
names so that's what basic what they've

1150
00:51:02,839 --> 00:51:00,509
said is useless unless you've allowed to

1151
00:51:04,489 --> 00:51:02,849
quote them so get a pro you know burnley

1152
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:04,499
mine again you know we had cold a [\h__\h]

1153
00:51:07,759 --> 00:51:06,450
we've called a unit in the UK they well

1154
00:51:09,140 --> 00:51:07,769
they were sat ready and waiting to go

1155
00:51:12,019 --> 00:51:09,150
with a piece of film on the alien

1156
00:51:13,609 --> 00:51:12,029
autopsies on it never arrived and they

1157
00:51:17,359 --> 00:51:13,619
were going to go public with whatever

1158
00:51:19,430 --> 00:51:17,369
they came up with so it's a question

1159
00:51:21,019 --> 00:51:19,440
then how do you make this public do you

1160
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:21,029
do it on your own like the dealing in

1161
00:51:24,289 --> 00:51:23,249
Mexico what are your other options you

1162
00:51:26,539 --> 00:51:24,299
got to get it out you're going to make

1163
00:51:28,479 --> 00:51:26,549
it public marching always what's the

1164
00:51:30,859 --> 00:51:28,489
point do you go away in a newspaper

1165
00:51:34,130 --> 00:51:30,869
you'll make money out of it but so will

1166
00:51:35,599 --> 00:51:34,140
the newspaper do you go buy a TV they're

1167
00:51:37,249 --> 00:51:35,609
going to make money out of it you will

1168
00:51:39,289 --> 00:51:37,259
as well what are you having this

1169
00:51:43,789 --> 00:51:39,299
instance with the slides is that the

1170
00:51:47,410 --> 00:51:43,799
promoters of it whoever they may be the

1171
00:51:49,789 --> 00:51:47,420
promoters of it have kept total control

1172
00:51:52,099 --> 00:51:49,799
they've decided well it's gonna be

1173
00:51:55,279 --> 00:51:52,109
released by whom you know for how much

1174
00:51:57,890 --> 00:51:55,289
on what you're allowed to see you know

1175
00:52:00,680 --> 00:51:57,900
yeah if you take it to a newspaper when

1176
00:52:02,720 --> 00:52:00,690
Santilli he telephoned one of the

1177
00:52:05,450 --> 00:52:02,730
biggest circulation national newspapers

1178
00:52:06,979 --> 00:52:05,460
here in the UK and then so what we'd

1179
00:52:10,089 --> 00:52:06,989
have to have the feel an authenticated

1180
00:52:13,370 --> 00:52:10,099
first course he never went back to them

1181
00:52:15,710 --> 00:52:13,380
you see what I mean yeah so here you

1182
00:52:18,710 --> 00:52:15,720
know so some chili you know piecemeal

1183
00:52:20,329 --> 00:52:18,720
sold it off and the TV companies weren't

1184
00:52:22,190 --> 00:52:20,339
bothered about authenticating it there

1185
00:52:24,589 --> 00:52:22,200
that's not their job you know they're

1186
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:24,599
just to make TV shows make money simple

1187
00:52:27,990 --> 00:52:25,570
as that

1188
00:52:30,420 --> 00:52:28,000
so in this instance with the slides the

1189
00:52:34,290 --> 00:52:30,430
promoters have kept total control over

1190
00:52:38,250 --> 00:52:34,300
it until it's gone live then look what's

1191
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:38,260
happened you know so you know if you did

1192
00:52:42,270 --> 00:52:39,490
have something that you thought it was

1193
00:52:44,490 --> 00:52:42,280
genuine and it's not a fake or anything

1194
00:52:50,250 --> 00:52:44,500
like that there are many options that

1195
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:50,260
are open to you you may for example take

1196
00:52:54,210 --> 00:52:51,970
it to a you know a scientific

1197
00:52:56,220 --> 00:52:54,220
publication on a scientific organization

1198
00:52:58,770 --> 00:52:56,230
depends what your motives are behind it

1199
00:53:00,270 --> 00:52:58,780
you know some Tilly was honest to a

1200
00:53:01,590 --> 00:53:00,280
degree and he said I wanna make money

1201
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:01,600
out of this film you said it from day

1202
00:53:09,330 --> 00:53:05,650
one mm-hmm you know I think that I think

1203
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:09,340
Adam do has said that to Alejandro Rojas

1204
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:13,090
in an interview basically yeah again you

1205
00:53:21,630 --> 00:53:17,410
know there's a financial motive behind

1206
00:53:24,750 --> 00:53:21,640
it but you know that that makes you

1207
00:53:27,270 --> 00:53:24,760
somewhat suspicious so if you have

1208
00:53:30,090 --> 00:53:27,280
something like this for example you know

1209
00:53:32,700 --> 00:53:30,100
Martin you know people here and it does

1210
00:53:35,420 --> 00:53:32,710
happen use their metal detectors and

1211
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:35,430
find a Saxon gold hold it does happen

1212
00:53:40,890 --> 00:53:37,930
you wouldn't then dig it up and take you

1213
00:53:43,650 --> 00:53:40,900
home you know you go to the correct

1214
00:53:46,470 --> 00:53:43,660
Institute to verify it similarly if you

1215
00:53:49,410 --> 00:53:46,480
you know she wore a house Martin and you

1216
00:53:51,300 --> 00:53:49,420
found an old painting in the Attic you

1217
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:51,310
know and it said Rembrandt on it what

1218
00:53:57,270 --> 00:53:54,570
would you do you have put in a yard sale

1219
00:53:59,460 --> 00:53:57,280
no no no I go of course I get it

1220
00:54:00,960 --> 00:53:59,470
authenticated which is very difficult to

1221
00:54:03,900 --> 00:54:00,970
do but yes you might want to sell you

1222
00:54:07,350 --> 00:54:03,910
yeah you know it's worth zillions I can

1223
00:54:09,810 --> 00:54:07,360
forget work I can sell this so there are

1224
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:09,820
many options open to you there isn't

1225
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:12,850
anyone right or wrong course of action

1226
00:54:18,060 --> 00:54:15,970
you know that it just depends on what

1227
00:54:21,290 --> 00:54:18,070
your motives are you know your motives

1228
00:54:23,820 --> 00:54:21,300
might not be financial therefore

1229
00:54:26,310 --> 00:54:23,830
customer again when I met centrally in

1230
00:54:28,170 --> 00:54:26,320
solar still my motives were work finance

1231
00:54:29,910 --> 00:54:28,180
I'm have a financial investment in this

1232
00:54:30,350 --> 00:54:29,920
thing I just wanted to get it out in the

1233
00:54:32,570 --> 00:54:30,360
open

1234
00:54:34,430 --> 00:54:32,580
to the bottom of it and and Ray said to

1235
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:34,440
me in his your agenda of my agenda a

1236
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:35,970
totally different Philip of course it

1237
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:37,770
was right he's agenda was to make money

1238
00:54:43,820 --> 00:54:39,930
my agenda was the same find out what the

1239
00:54:47,030 --> 00:54:43,830
damn film was and had no problem with

1240
00:54:49,010 --> 00:54:47,040
that so again we can only speculate here

1241
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:49,020
Martin and I mean you know that there is

1242
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:50,850
no right or wrong way to deal with this

1243
00:54:55,310 --> 00:54:52,770
kind of thing there's many different

1244
00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:55,320
avenues you can go down depending on

1245
00:54:58,880 --> 00:54:57,090
your motives I mean you know I don't

1246
00:55:00,770 --> 00:54:58,890
know Matthew you might be a wealthy man

1247
00:55:03,650 --> 00:55:00,780
you might comes with the Kassam then

1248
00:55:05,660 --> 00:55:03,660
like this not interested in money go hey

1249
00:55:11,090 --> 00:55:05,670
presto here you go you know give you

1250
00:55:12,500 --> 00:55:11,100
away you know well Phil I'm going to cut

1251
00:55:14,450 --> 00:55:12,510
this short just now so we can get

1252
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:14,460
another person on for a little bit of

1253
00:55:20,270 --> 00:55:17,970
the first hour and hopefully that maybe

1254
00:55:22,940 --> 00:55:20,280
a few other people besides kirk collins

1255
00:55:25,270 --> 00:55:22,950
but we'll see it could be just Curt I'm

1256
00:55:28,310 --> 00:55:25,280
not really sure again this is Sunday and

1257
00:55:30,470 --> 00:55:28,320
the recording goes live on Wednesday

1258
00:55:33,710 --> 00:55:30,480
thanks so much and this is Phillip

1259
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:33,720
mantle editor of UFO today and all you

1260
00:55:36,380 --> 00:55:35,130
have to do is google that and you can

1261
00:55:38,810 --> 00:55:36,390
get to his website in his magazine

1262
00:55:40,940 --> 00:55:38,820
thanks a lot Phillip my pleasure mazi

1263
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:40,950
thank you very much alright so hang in

1264
00:55:44,750 --> 00:55:42,330
for the music break and we'll be right

1265
00:56:08,270 --> 00:55:44,760
back with another guest still before the

1266
00:56:16,170 --> 00:56:11,910
and we're darling in to Kurt how are you

1267
00:56:18,569 --> 00:56:16,180
Kurt fine fine and we're live now that

1268
00:56:20,069 --> 00:56:18,579
was pre-recorded thank you and guess

1269
00:56:22,079 --> 00:56:20,079
what everyone we have Kevin rambla

1270
00:56:26,130 --> 00:56:22,089
coming up at 15 minutes after the hour

1271
00:56:29,819 --> 00:56:26,140
to join us so Kurt since we're live I

1272
00:56:33,020 --> 00:56:29,829
had to do the pre record on Sunday what

1273
00:56:35,420 --> 00:56:33,030
has happened all kinds of things Oh

1274
00:56:38,069 --> 00:56:35,430
quite a bit and I just want to say

1275
00:56:39,450 --> 00:56:38,079
Phillip did a great job of covering the

1276
00:56:40,559 --> 00:56:39,460
information a process and what had

1277
00:56:43,500 --> 00:56:40,569
happened there were a lot of things

1278
00:56:46,410 --> 00:56:43,510
happening just uh in in quick succession

1279
00:56:47,339 --> 00:56:46,420
and so I think he he did a great job you

1280
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:47,349
know there a lot of behind-the-scenes

1281
00:56:53,359 --> 00:56:49,930
things but as far as what surfaced and

1282
00:56:55,500 --> 00:56:53,369
the way its impacted he did a great job

1283
00:56:57,300 --> 00:56:55,510
just to update a couple of things he

1284
00:56:58,950 --> 00:56:57,310
said the million-dollar museum thing

1285
00:57:00,930 --> 00:56:58,960
turned out to be a bust there was a

1286
00:57:03,059 --> 00:57:00,940
similar body there but the other one

1287
00:57:06,390 --> 00:57:03,069
that he mentioned Mesa Verde has been

1288
00:57:10,460 --> 00:57:06,400
confirmed as the museum that the mummy

1289
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:10,470
was displayed in there have been some

1290
00:57:16,559 --> 00:57:14,650
matching photographs of the location the

1291
00:57:19,140 --> 00:57:16,569
placards are identical talk to other

1292
00:57:21,180 --> 00:57:19,150
things we were not located a picture the

1293
00:57:22,859 --> 00:57:21,190
mummy itself but you can see the

1294
00:57:26,700 --> 00:57:22,869
shelving the holes and everything it is

1295
00:57:29,220 --> 00:57:26,710
I it it takes mental gymnastics not to

1296
00:57:33,059 --> 00:57:29,230
put it there yeah and you know some

1297
00:57:35,220 --> 00:57:33,069
people I'll wait till Kevin is on we're

1298
00:57:37,349 --> 00:57:35,230
also going to talk about the people that

1299
00:57:39,140 --> 00:57:37,359
are steadfast but I'd rather wait till

1300
00:57:42,780 --> 00:57:39,150
he's on for that but let's talk about

1301
00:57:46,700 --> 00:57:42,790
you basically broke the story on this

1302
00:57:49,819 --> 00:57:46,710
for the Roswell slide research group

1303
00:57:52,410 --> 00:57:49,829
first of all can you tell us what that

1304
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:52,420
is how many people are involved and all

1305
00:57:57,300 --> 00:57:54,970
that and how you got got ahold of this

1306
00:58:00,329 --> 00:57:57,310
whole thing well there's a there's about

1307
00:58:02,579 --> 00:58:00,339
20 of us and it evolved it was a reason

1308
00:58:04,410 --> 00:58:02,589
you know i just well you know facebook

1309
00:58:06,180 --> 00:58:04,420
is a co-star in this story i have to

1310
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:06,190
tell you because it was a facebook group

1311
00:58:13,589 --> 00:58:09,490
of friends and the one of the friends

1312
00:58:14,970 --> 00:58:13,599
jose antonio care Waka from Spain is was

1313
00:58:16,980 --> 00:58:14,980
in the group and we have been discussing

1314
00:58:18,490 --> 00:58:16,990
those slides and he said why don't we

1315
00:58:20,770 --> 00:58:18,500
have a separate group

1316
00:58:23,380 --> 00:58:20,780
to focus specifically on this to share

1317
00:58:25,150 --> 00:58:23,390
ideas and in research and we said okay

1318
00:58:27,340 --> 00:58:25,160
well let's do that so we created a new

1319
00:58:30,010 --> 00:58:27,350
group with a subset of our other friends

1320
00:58:34,930 --> 00:58:30,020
and it was you know a variety of people

1321
00:58:38,140 --> 00:58:34,940
skeptics and UFO UFO proponents Chris

1322
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:38,150
witkowsky is one of them Steven miles

1323
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:41,690
Lewis he's more of a Ford Ian researcher

1324
00:58:47,110 --> 00:58:45,410
I can name them all but you wouldn't

1325
00:58:49,660 --> 00:58:47,120
remember him so if you look at the

1326
00:58:52,350 --> 00:58:49,670
Roswell slides research group at Roswell

1327
00:58:55,510 --> 00:58:52,360
swats logic rom-com you can find our

1328
00:58:57,430 --> 00:58:55,520
report and that represents the things

1329
00:58:59,590 --> 00:58:57,440
that we have a consistent consensus on

1330
00:59:01,600 --> 00:58:59,600
there's a lot of things that are

1331
00:59:05,020 --> 00:59:01,610
individual opinions we have posted our

1332
00:59:08,790 --> 00:59:05,030
separate blogs and web Facebook pages

1333
00:59:11,470 --> 00:59:08,800
and whatever so you know there's but on

1334
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:11,480
the and there were other people they

1335
00:59:15,790 --> 00:59:14,090
helped us late in the game so it was

1336
00:59:17,740 --> 00:59:15,800
really just a sharing of interest and

1337
00:59:20,230 --> 00:59:17,750
resources and that was really what made

1338
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:20,240
everything possible it was a joy working

1339
00:59:24,340 --> 00:59:22,250
together like this it was very open and

1340
00:59:27,730 --> 00:59:24,350
information was presented and shared

1341
00:59:29,770 --> 00:59:27,740
quickly and it was um I think I think

1342
00:59:32,500 --> 00:59:29,780
it's a great way to work in a model of

1343
00:59:34,390 --> 00:59:32,510
openness and transparency that should be

1344
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:34,400
duplicated for other projects I don't

1345
00:59:38,470 --> 00:59:36,410
know if we'll survive to do it again but

1346
00:59:40,540 --> 00:59:38,480
I think I think it shows what can be

1347
00:59:41,980 --> 00:59:40,550
done all right pretty soon we're coming

1348
00:59:43,390 --> 00:59:41,990
up on the top of the hour and we're

1349
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:43,400
going to take just a quick break and

1350
00:59:47,140 --> 00:59:45,410
then we're coming back at nine fifteen

1351
00:59:51,370 --> 00:59:47,150
we're going to be talking with you but

1352
00:59:53,050 --> 00:59:51,380
Kevin's going to join us so there is

1353
00:59:56,230 --> 00:59:53,060
someone in the the message board that

1354
00:59:58,600 --> 00:59:56,240
mentioned earlier that all she knew

1355
01:00:00,430 --> 00:59:58,610
about was that they were getting like

1356
01:00:04,660 --> 01:00:00,440
copies of the slides no one had a high

1357
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:04,670
res first of all it makes it doesn't

1358
01:00:09,610 --> 01:00:06,650
make any sense that anyone even tried to

1359
01:00:13,210 --> 01:00:09,620
you know d plur this thing in the

1360
01:00:15,340 --> 01:00:13,220
beginning I mean obviously if they could

1361
01:00:17,500 --> 01:00:15,350
do that from a second generation type of

1362
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:17,510
situation then if someone had the

1363
01:00:21,790 --> 01:00:19,250
original slide they could obviously do

1364
01:00:24,010 --> 01:00:21,800
it very easily so I believe that falls

1365
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:24,020
on Adam do but I don't know the

1366
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:26,570
circumstances do you have anything any

1367
01:00:30,620 --> 01:00:28,290
input on that

1368
01:00:32,030 --> 01:00:30,630
oh well they let me let me see here cuz

1369
01:00:33,650 --> 01:00:32,040
I didn't really finish the answer to

1370
01:00:35,420 --> 01:00:33,660
your question about what has changed so

1371
01:00:38,090 --> 01:00:35,430
let me know all right let me check my

1372
01:00:40,100 --> 01:00:38,100
notes here one thing we can talk about

1373
01:00:41,510 --> 01:00:40,110
this later is it there was a lot of

1374
01:00:44,060 --> 01:00:41,520
confusion about the live stream

1375
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:44,070
broadcast but Richard Dolan did appear

1376
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:46,890
and speak I haven't seen it myself i

1377
01:00:51,590 --> 01:00:48,810
have seen a short clip from it I think

1378
01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:51,600
he gave a talk about 20 minutes long I

1379
01:00:59,020 --> 01:00:54,090
think the most of the focus of his

1380
01:01:02,110 --> 01:00:59,030
speech was that how this could open up a

1381
01:01:04,430 --> 01:01:02,120
snowball into some sort of disclosure or

1382
01:01:06,860 --> 01:01:04,440
understanding it was something it was

1383
01:01:08,420 --> 01:01:06,870
sort of um it was sort of a closing this

1384
01:01:11,900 --> 01:01:08,430
message I'm told it was fairly well

1385
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:11,910
received them let's see if there was

1386
01:01:17,990 --> 01:01:15,090
anything else here Deborah Lee about

1387
01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:18,000
kind of different film now I'm you know

1388
01:01:23,750 --> 01:01:21,090
this was what he said Tom carry and Don

1389
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:23,760
Schmidt have issued a statement in

1390
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:26,610
response I guess one of the things you

1391
01:01:32,350 --> 01:01:29,370
have to acknowledge is they were still

1392
01:01:34,700 --> 01:01:32,360
in Mexico when the placard was exposed

1393
01:01:37,700 --> 01:01:34,710
so so they were not able to immediately

1394
01:01:42,410 --> 01:01:37,710
respond I think it's it probably runs

1395
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:42,420
our trip but had me I would say so ok

1396
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:46,010
you know I don't know I don't know I

1397
01:01:50,900 --> 01:01:48,330
have a lot of questions I don't want to

1398
01:01:53,990 --> 01:01:50,910
make a lot of judgments but there's some

1399
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:54,000
things that don't add up the the

1400
01:01:59,540 --> 01:01:56,490
statement was not particularly favorable

1401
01:02:02,750 --> 01:01:59,550
to on me and my friends I must say yes

1402
01:02:05,060 --> 01:02:02,760
Tom statement in particular how I'd said

1403
01:02:06,530 --> 01:02:05,070
that it was it was faked but that our

1404
01:02:08,270 --> 01:02:06,540
results were faked they were

1405
01:02:10,730 --> 01:02:08,280
photoshopped by getting back hurt just

1406
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:10,740
getting back to this one thing did the

1407
01:02:15,740 --> 01:02:12,930
person or the people that did that to

1408
01:02:18,700 --> 01:02:15,750
blur software did they have a high

1409
01:02:21,530 --> 01:02:18,710
resolution image of this to begin with

1410
01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:21,540
I'm not a technical person i can tell

1411
01:02:25,820 --> 01:02:23,610
you that it is at the time they had

1412
01:02:27,740 --> 01:02:25,830
something better than what was on the

1413
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:27,750
atom do his website and when he released

1414
01:02:33,890 --> 01:02:30,810
it that was what was a what able for

1415
01:02:35,870 --> 01:02:33,900
everyone else to duplicate it I see okay

1416
01:02:38,180 --> 01:02:35,880
well we're at the top of the hour we're

1417
01:02:41,450 --> 01:02:38,190
going to take a quick music break and

1418
01:02:42,140 --> 01:02:41,460
then we'll be right back with you Curt

1419
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:42,150
Collins

1420
01:02:48,349 --> 01:02:44,970
and after that we'll be right back also

1421
01:02:50,150 --> 01:02:48,359
at 15 minutes past the hour with Kevin

1422
01:03:15,410 --> 01:02:50,160
Randall so hang a nail we'll be right

1423
01:03:21,510 --> 01:03:18,750
that's a partial tune by a listener of

1424
01:03:24,770 --> 01:03:21,520
the show Bruce ranier and thank you

1425
01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:24,780
Bruce for that and so getting back to

1426
01:03:31,190 --> 01:03:28,690
this this whole situation here the

1427
01:03:34,500 --> 01:03:31,200
Roswell slides we have Curtis Colin

1428
01:03:35,970 --> 01:03:34,510
Collins is on the line also if you're

1429
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:35,980
listening on the Dark Matter radio

1430
01:03:40,860 --> 01:03:38,290
network you can jump over to our chat

1431
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:40,870
room and chime in ask questions and

1432
01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:43,930
that's at podcast UFO comets you'll see

1433
01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:45,730
it right on the sidebar and there's a

1434
01:03:50,190 --> 01:03:48,130
little corner thing you can click on the

1435
01:03:52,550 --> 01:03:50,200
chat room that'll make it pop up in a

1436
01:03:58,230 --> 01:03:52,560
separate window makes it easier to use

1437
01:04:00,780 --> 01:03:58,240
Oh Kurt so just it can you just tell the

1438
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:00,790
sequence of events on on how this thing

1439
01:04:07,230 --> 01:04:03,010
was you said there are 20 people

1440
01:04:08,460 --> 01:04:07,240
involved and and I want to make this

1441
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:08,470
statement too and don't worry about

1442
01:04:12,810 --> 01:04:10,690
anyone slinging mud you can say whatever

1443
01:04:16,590 --> 01:04:12,820
you want no one's going to sue us but

1444
01:04:19,110 --> 01:04:16,600
one of the things I was thinking about

1445
01:04:21,060 --> 01:04:19,120
was some all these people are involved

1446
01:04:23,190 --> 01:04:21,070
they're trying only to get to the truth

1447
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:23,200
there is a lot of snippy pneus out there

1448
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:24,370
there's a lot of people that were so

1449
01:04:30,330 --> 01:04:25,690
disappointed there's a lot of

1450
01:04:33,450 --> 01:04:30,340
mudslinging but the people that let's

1451
01:04:35,430 --> 01:04:33,460
just say the parties involved are making

1452
01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:35,440
it look like oh it's just the debunkers

1453
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:37,530
the dude bunkers are attacking us there

1454
01:04:42,330 --> 01:04:40,330
you know the skeptics like like it's a

1455
01:04:43,830 --> 01:04:42,340
bad word and all we're trying to do or

1456
01:04:45,630 --> 01:04:43,840
all the people out here trying to do is

1457
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:45,640
to get to the truth of what these things

1458
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:48,490
really are I'm and like you said you had

1459
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:51,610
some unfavorable comments I'm wondering

1460
01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:53,890
what's your opinion how long these

1461
01:04:58,860 --> 01:04:56,290
people are going to stick to their guns

1462
01:05:01,410 --> 01:04:58,870
I I think I personally I'm just going to

1463
01:05:03,780 --> 01:05:01,420
say this and they consume me if they

1464
01:05:06,600 --> 01:05:03,790
want but I think Camilla sayin has such

1465
01:05:10,170 --> 01:05:06,610
a large following that he may stick to

1466
01:05:14,610 --> 01:05:10,180
his guns because his word to his large

1467
01:05:16,590 --> 01:05:14,620
following is more like God's Word and I

1468
01:05:18,570 --> 01:05:16,600
think they'll listen to whatever he says

1469
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:18,580
and ignore anyone else and I think he's

1470
01:05:23,370 --> 01:05:20,650
got everything to lose there's also

1471
01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:23,380
books that are being written there's a

1472
01:05:27,540 --> 01:05:27,130
there's a documentary film was it called

1473
01:05:29,910 --> 01:05:27,550
code

1474
01:05:32,100 --> 01:05:29,920
chrome or something Roswell kodachrome a

1475
01:05:35,100 --> 01:05:32,110
green but anyway there's all this stuff

1476
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:35,110
involved and i know i'm totally

1477
01:05:45,660 --> 01:05:38,010
scattered here but i'll let you continue

1478
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:45,670
well oh the the statement you know some

1479
01:05:49,950 --> 01:05:47,650
people are calling with the the fiasco

1480
01:05:51,450 --> 01:05:49,960
in mexico and that's one of the condor

1481
01:05:52,590 --> 01:05:51,460
things you hear about it and you're

1482
01:05:53,940 --> 01:05:52,600
right there's there's been some

1483
01:05:56,550 --> 01:05:53,950
criticism certainly people are

1484
01:05:58,050 --> 01:05:56,560
disappointed but as far as our group

1485
01:06:00,450 --> 01:05:58,060
you're our most were just to find the

1486
01:06:01,740 --> 01:06:00,460
truth in it was a mixture disciplines

1487
01:06:03,540 --> 01:06:01,750
and we said you know if we could have

1488
01:06:05,310 --> 01:06:03,550
proven this was an alien we would have

1489
01:06:08,490 --> 01:06:05,320
shared those results and you know that

1490
01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:08,500
would be fantastic but um you know it is

1491
01:06:13,230 --> 01:06:10,930
really a matter of proving what is and

1492
01:06:14,910 --> 01:06:13,240
giving what isn't out of the way you

1493
01:06:17,340 --> 01:06:14,920
know there is a whole lot of baloney and

1494
01:06:19,560 --> 01:06:17,350
in everything really look at diet books

1495
01:06:20,970 --> 01:06:19,570
are you know anything uh you know if

1496
01:06:26,330 --> 01:06:20,980
there's an if there's money to be made

1497
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:26,340
there's going to be a fraud and then I

1498
01:06:31,050 --> 01:06:29,290
want to make transition to fraud I'm

1499
01:06:33,270 --> 01:06:31,060
loomis on but let me say this i have

1500
01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:33,280
heard i saw on twitter that he was

1501
01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:35,170
preparing to make a statement and as

1502
01:06:37,860 --> 01:06:36,370
right now i don't know what the

1503
01:06:41,310 --> 01:06:37,870
statement is going to be but he's

1504
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:41,320
apparently ready to say something Adam

1505
01:06:46,530 --> 01:06:43,930
dude has been silent since printing on

1506
01:06:49,980 --> 01:06:46,540
his website that are a results were

1507
01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:49,990
faked other people duplicated it you

1508
01:06:52,650 --> 01:06:51,730
know we heard Phillip man described that

1509
01:06:56,040 --> 01:06:52,660
so I'm not going to go through that

1510
01:06:58,800 --> 01:06:56,050
again you know it's genuine the mummy is

1511
01:07:01,470 --> 01:06:58,810
I told you that the location is found

1512
01:07:04,050 --> 01:07:01,480
the photographs of the case the

1513
01:07:05,670 --> 01:07:04,060
furniture background you know that seems

1514
01:07:07,470 --> 01:07:05,680
rock-solid in me so there's there's

1515
01:07:10,290 --> 01:07:07,480
really not much point in discussing that

1516
01:07:11,850 --> 01:07:10,300
but yours is a statement I mean it's

1517
01:07:14,790 --> 01:07:11,860
really long so I can't have read much of

1518
01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:14,800
it and also it's kind of nasty so it's

1519
01:07:19,860 --> 01:07:16,330
going to make me sound like a drug if I

1520
01:07:22,730 --> 01:07:19,870
read it but they say this was a the dawn

1521
01:07:25,560 --> 01:07:22,740
Schmidt adjusted we believe the recently

1522
01:07:27,180 --> 01:07:25,570
released reading they have that in

1523
01:07:29,790 --> 01:07:27,190
quotes of the placard by the so-called

1524
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:29,800
Roswell slides research group is still

1525
01:07:35,190 --> 01:07:31,450
open to debate now that was toned down

1526
01:07:36,710 --> 01:07:35,200
from fake or something like that if the

1527
01:07:37,910 --> 01:07:36,720
other highlights are just want to get

1528
01:07:40,220 --> 01:07:37,920
regarding the

1529
01:07:42,109 --> 01:07:40,230
placard we quickly determined that the

1530
01:07:43,849 --> 01:07:42,119
content would be key to interpreting the

1531
01:07:45,950 --> 01:07:43,859
slots and then you mentioned a number of

1532
01:07:47,990 --> 01:07:45,960
experts and they all say but don't

1533
01:07:52,670 --> 01:07:48,000
present a report say that the experts

1534
01:07:54,829 --> 01:07:52,680
said it was unreadable our own computer

1535
01:07:57,410 --> 01:07:54,839
guys says he applied the smart deploy

1536
01:07:59,270 --> 01:07:57,420
software to the placard over year ago

1537
01:08:01,430 --> 01:07:59,280
without any success he did so again this

1538
01:08:03,859 --> 01:08:01,440
week an enhanced sharper version of the

1539
01:08:07,010 --> 01:08:03,869
placard with the latest edition without

1540
01:08:10,670 --> 01:08:07,020
success now here's where he takes on a

1541
01:08:13,220 --> 01:08:10,680
real tone now we are told not asked to

1542
01:08:15,740 --> 01:08:13,230
believe that the cast of characters one

1543
01:08:18,410 --> 01:08:15,750
of whom has clearly become unhinged and

1544
01:08:20,900 --> 01:08:18,420
what's himself a party to a known UFO

1545
01:08:23,599 --> 01:08:20,910
body hook some years ago has used the

1546
01:08:26,479 --> 01:08:23,609
same program smart to blur on a store

1547
01:08:30,530 --> 01:08:26,489
distorted screen gab grabbed the placard

1548
01:08:33,260 --> 01:08:30,540
and is somehow able to read it will all

1549
01:08:34,939 --> 01:08:33,270
be above some of whom have had much more

1550
01:08:37,880 --> 01:08:34,949
sophisticated equipment and techniques

1551
01:08:41,110 --> 01:08:37,890
at their disposal could not I ask you

1552
01:08:43,849 --> 01:08:41,120
what's wrong with this picture so he's

1553
01:08:46,939 --> 01:08:43,859
he's challenging our results I can

1554
01:08:49,789 --> 01:08:46,949
understand that he has you know it put a

1555
01:08:51,740 --> 01:08:49,799
lot of time into this and some property

1556
01:08:57,410 --> 01:08:51,750
reputation probably some financial stake

1557
01:08:58,999 --> 01:08:57,420
in this this would close close us out he

1558
01:09:01,459 --> 01:08:59,009
says so what are we to make of all this

1559
01:09:03,169 --> 01:09:01,469
humming the Sun topic area dodge Metro

1560
01:09:04,939 --> 01:09:03,179
lot on the ball Torre to conclusions

1561
01:09:06,590 --> 01:09:04,949
that they have reached then when our

1562
01:09:08,870 --> 01:09:06,600
conclusions but the scientists we

1563
01:09:10,280 --> 01:09:08,880
consulted we have at this point in the

1564
01:09:12,260 --> 01:09:10,290
proceedings have sent out additional

1565
01:09:14,689 --> 01:09:12,270
copies of the placard damage to third

1566
01:09:16,820 --> 01:09:14,699
parties whose opinions we can trust to

1567
01:09:19,130 --> 01:09:16,830
run the smart deploy application on it

1568
01:09:21,079 --> 01:09:19,140
and are prepared to abide by their

1569
01:09:23,630 --> 01:09:21,089
findings wherever the chips may fall

1570
01:09:26,510 --> 01:09:23,640
thus for Tom Kerry's statement ended but

1571
01:09:28,910 --> 01:09:26,520
Donna Schmidt added as tua Tom said this

1572
01:09:30,950 --> 01:09:28,920
morning if the independent analysis if

1573
01:09:33,229 --> 01:09:30,960
the placard comes back and supported the

1574
01:09:35,360 --> 01:09:33,239
opposition's read that will accept that

1575
01:09:38,300 --> 01:09:35,370
read I will remain a gentleman and

1576
01:09:41,829 --> 01:09:38,310
concede that point so it was tone down

1577
01:09:44,809 --> 01:09:41,839
from the original and apparently if they

1578
01:09:47,930 --> 01:09:44,819
see results they will accept them so

1579
01:09:48,789 --> 01:09:47,940
that was their statement and that the

1580
01:09:50,260 --> 01:09:48,799
probably field

1581
01:09:54,490 --> 01:09:50,270
about that pretty much brings us up to

1582
01:09:56,939 --> 01:09:54,500
date now did it can you well let me just

1583
01:10:00,549 --> 01:09:56,949
put it this way any of the so-called

1584
01:10:04,330 --> 01:10:00,559
Roswell slide research group are any of

1585
01:10:08,470 --> 01:10:04,340
them letting their names be known yes

1586
01:10:11,169 --> 01:10:08,480
how long there are a few people Isaac

1587
01:10:13,030 --> 01:10:11,179
coins that well known researcher in the

1588
01:10:16,479 --> 01:10:13,040
UK now that's a pseudonym he's a

1589
01:10:19,390 --> 01:10:16,489
barrister UFO interest does not go over

1590
01:10:22,569 --> 01:10:19,400
well so he people know him and packed

1591
01:10:24,310 --> 01:10:22,579
him but you know I mentioned Jose I'm

1592
01:10:26,770 --> 01:10:24,320
gonna go through the list here jose

1593
01:10:29,470 --> 01:10:26,780
antonio care Waka already mentioned he's

1594
01:10:31,450 --> 01:10:29,480
a key player and he's more important

1595
01:10:33,910 --> 01:10:31,460
than than i can really express good you

1596
01:10:36,160 --> 01:10:33,920
know he got us together and really

1597
01:10:38,680 --> 01:10:36,170
inspired us another one with the

1598
01:10:41,140 --> 01:10:38,690
pseudonym I man from france he was the

1599
01:10:43,089 --> 01:10:41,150
key to did boring that he's the one that

1600
01:10:44,589 --> 01:10:43,099
came with the idea to use this he had

1601
01:10:47,319 --> 01:10:44,599
actually talked about it before we had

1602
01:10:50,169 --> 01:10:47,329
the image to use because of the quality

1603
01:10:52,780 --> 01:10:50,179
of the delete image NAB later is the

1604
01:10:55,390 --> 01:10:52,790
name that he goes by Lance moody is a

1605
01:10:57,129 --> 01:10:55,400
skeptic you know he's actually a nice

1606
01:10:59,709 --> 01:10:57,139
guy except when it gets into an argument

1607
01:11:04,419 --> 01:10:59,719
and by the way I want to say a lot of

1608
01:11:08,109 --> 01:11:04,429
these people have been active on Kevin's

1609
01:11:10,089 --> 01:11:08,119
a blog and also rich rentals by the way

1610
01:11:11,260 --> 01:11:10,099
rich rentals might be if you know

1611
01:11:13,240 --> 01:11:11,270
they're Indian diamonds he's a

1612
01:11:17,080 --> 01:11:13,250
co-conspirator because he's the one that

1613
01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:17,090
really broke the story and was sort of a

1614
01:11:22,810 --> 01:11:21,050
instigator encouraging both sides and I

1615
01:11:26,530 --> 01:11:22,820
just like one of those what's you and

1616
01:11:27,970 --> 01:11:26,540
him fight so uh but he wasn't part of

1617
01:11:29,350 --> 01:11:27,980
our team I just wanted to mention though

1618
01:11:32,350 --> 01:11:29,360
that he is a player in the store and

1619
01:11:35,410 --> 01:11:32,360
then giving back to us course Tim Hebert

1620
01:11:38,700 --> 01:11:35,420
as a mother skeptic now he came in

1621
01:11:43,470 --> 01:11:38,710
really it's relatively late but he is

1622
01:11:46,660 --> 01:11:43,480
unbelieving as a nurse and he saw he's

1623
01:11:48,129 --> 01:11:46,670
in addition to being smart a lot of

1624
01:11:50,260 --> 01:11:48,139
things you know specifically he could

1625
01:11:53,109 --> 01:11:50,270
help us out with the anatomy and we had

1626
01:11:55,569 --> 01:11:53,119
up we had an extensive studies of the

1627
01:11:57,790 --> 01:11:55,579
the body of what we could see compared

1628
01:12:00,070 --> 01:11:57,800
to two mummies and the children of

1629
01:12:01,930 --> 01:12:00,080
skeletons and a matched up in in mama

1630
01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:01,940
it was solved before anything happened

1631
01:12:07,500 --> 01:12:03,890
but you know without some sort of

1632
01:12:10,150 --> 01:12:07,510
tangible proof people were certain

1633
01:12:12,310 --> 01:12:10,160
factions were going to hold on to the

1634
01:12:14,530 --> 01:12:12,320
story being presented and by the way

1635
01:12:17,110 --> 01:12:14,540
that supporting story has not been shown

1636
01:12:19,810 --> 01:12:17,120
to hold up in any way it was almost as

1637
01:12:22,630 --> 01:12:19,820
if you had drawn dots and then connected

1638
01:12:26,230 --> 01:12:22,640
them yourselves you know it was very

1639
01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:26,240
sketchy I love you finish out my team

1640
01:12:31,180 --> 01:12:27,770
and then we can give some other point

1641
01:12:34,630 --> 01:12:31,190
Paul Kimball all right he's here dawg

1642
01:12:37,390 --> 01:12:34,640
see he had a long history with um

1643
01:12:40,720 --> 01:12:37,400
something the promoters of this anthony

1644
01:12:42,460 --> 01:12:40,730
regalia for example I have trouble

1645
01:12:45,520 --> 01:12:42,470
Sonny's foreign names I believe this

1646
01:12:48,070 --> 01:12:45,530
print-out stud Jill's Fernandez he's

1647
01:12:49,780 --> 01:12:48,080
from France by the way you know it's one

1648
01:12:52,860 --> 01:12:49,790
emphasize that you know we have people

1649
01:12:54,790 --> 01:12:52,870
with different disciplines different

1650
01:12:56,170 --> 01:12:54,800
backgrounds different interests you know

1651
01:12:58,150 --> 01:12:56,180
some of these people are the more

1652
01:13:00,070 --> 01:12:58,160
interested in photography than UFOs but

1653
01:13:02,980 --> 01:13:00,080
they all share an interest in UFOs and

1654
01:13:05,500 --> 01:13:02,990
would sort of the other another

1655
01:13:09,850 --> 01:13:05,510
anonymous when trained observer and one

1656
01:13:12,130 --> 01:13:09,860
of the things he he provided a a lead on

1657
01:13:15,900 --> 01:13:12,140
a mummy that was so close we were

1658
01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:15,910
convinced that it was uh the Smithsonian

1659
01:13:22,990 --> 01:13:18,890
boy from Bebe's that it come from wistar

1660
01:13:25,870 --> 01:13:23,000
it was an event in a thought is 2397 the

1661
01:13:28,300 --> 01:13:25,880
the except for the skull the condition

1662
01:13:29,590 --> 01:13:28,310
of the body position of the limbs almost

1663
01:13:33,330 --> 01:13:29,600
a dead what we couldn't see the missing

1664
01:13:36,220 --> 01:13:33,340
leg because that was behind a placard

1665
01:13:38,860 --> 01:13:36,230
but that told us that the dimensions

1666
01:13:41,260 --> 01:13:38,870
matched and you know he was good to that

1667
01:13:44,200 --> 01:13:41,270
link provide that lead and also he makes

1668
01:13:46,090 --> 01:13:44,210
some good observations about the the the

1669
01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:46,100
case itself and he said you know this is

1670
01:13:50,770 --> 01:13:48,650
open this is not preserved you know it's

1671
01:13:53,440 --> 01:13:50,780
not that well you know not treat this

1672
01:13:55,420 --> 01:13:53,450
like a biohazard material but that his

1673
01:13:57,040 --> 01:13:55,430
name is trained observant now Chris

1674
01:14:01,090 --> 01:13:57,050
witkowsky and I know you've had it we

1675
01:14:03,790 --> 01:14:01,100
have on your on your show and now he was

1676
01:14:06,310 --> 01:14:03,800
busy with the Canadian UFO report annual

1677
01:14:08,170 --> 01:14:06,320
survey and so you know he would check in

1678
01:14:10,450 --> 01:14:08,180
and give us encouragement and every once

1679
01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:10,460
in a while he would they you know so he

1680
01:14:15,250 --> 01:14:11,090
was a good

1681
01:14:18,430 --> 01:14:15,260
source and but he had real things to do

1682
01:14:21,640 --> 01:14:18,440
investigating real UFO of the stories

1683
01:14:23,979 --> 01:14:21,650
and think so but he was there he was

1684
01:14:28,540 --> 01:14:23,989
there with us and a Roger glassell from

1685
01:14:34,270 --> 01:14:28,550
Sweden he was great till he contacted

1686
01:14:37,540 --> 01:14:34,280
the um uh dr. Kafka dr. black dr. hunt

1687
01:14:40,720 --> 01:14:37,550
with the Smithsonian and got us really

1688
01:14:43,120 --> 01:14:40,730
looking at the physiological details and

1689
01:14:45,910 --> 01:14:43,130
he'll into that just today he matched up

1690
01:14:48,399 --> 01:14:45,920
a picture of the bench at the mesa verde

1691
01:14:51,820 --> 01:14:48,409
right I'm using and that's visible in

1692
01:14:53,589 --> 01:14:51,830
background so I told Kevin I'd call him

1693
01:14:55,839 --> 01:14:53,599
right on the button and I'm gonna have

1694
01:14:57,370 --> 01:14:55,849
to apologize to the listeners because I

1695
01:14:59,260 --> 01:14:57,380
was thinking I could dial without any

1696
01:15:00,850 --> 01:14:59,270
number without any beeping but

1697
01:15:02,169 --> 01:15:00,860
unfortunately gonna make a beep so bear

1698
01:15:06,790 --> 01:15:02,179
with me everybody were you going to hear

1699
01:15:09,129 --> 01:15:06,800
that the gonna hear me dial I hope that

1700
01:15:12,850 --> 01:15:09,139
doesn't mean you can hang on just one

1701
01:15:14,950 --> 01:15:12,860
second well while your logic darling one

1702
01:15:17,830 --> 01:15:14,960
other guy Steven miles Lewis sometimes

1703
01:15:20,919 --> 01:15:17,840
known as smiles Lewis and he was the 14

1704
01:15:24,669 --> 01:15:20,929
and you know he was definitely he was

1705
01:15:27,910 --> 01:15:24,679
definitely he's basically branagh or

1706
01:15:30,700 --> 01:15:27,920
proponent or really open-minded so you

1707
01:15:33,700 --> 01:15:30,710
know if you he was definitely our UFO

1708
01:15:36,399 --> 01:15:33,710
and believer policeman so okay know if

1709
01:15:39,129 --> 01:15:36,409
there was going to be I'm sorry I'm

1710
01:15:42,790 --> 01:15:39,139
darling away here how are you Kevin I'm

1711
01:15:44,740 --> 01:15:42,800
fine how are you good good Kurt meet

1712
01:15:50,620 --> 01:15:44,750
Kevin have you guys ever spoke to each

1713
01:15:52,899 --> 01:15:50,630
other once on your show Oh goin once

1714
01:15:55,089 --> 01:15:52,909
yeah sure did I can't remember the

1715
01:15:57,459 --> 01:15:55,099
question but uh seems like I got a

1716
01:16:02,229 --> 01:15:57,469
pretty good answer um and I've emailed

1717
01:16:04,030 --> 01:16:02,239
you a few times so yeah oh yeah I forgot

1718
01:16:05,649 --> 01:16:04,040
I've actually hosted one of your

1719
01:16:08,080 --> 01:16:05,659
articles on my side you had a cash

1720
01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:08,090
Landrum piece that I thought I shared so

1721
01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:10,610
and yeah so we you know touched a little

1722
01:16:14,740 --> 01:16:13,610
bit and went through email and the

1723
01:16:19,209 --> 01:16:14,750
internet which is how a lot of people

1724
01:16:23,050 --> 01:16:19,219
communicate but now so okay great well

1725
01:16:24,910 --> 01:16:23,060
Kevin we Kurt was just on talking about

1726
01:16:26,590 --> 01:16:24,920
you know his involvement

1727
01:16:28,120 --> 01:16:26,600
and I know that you were really I was

1728
01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:28,130
following what you were doing too and

1729
01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:29,770
you were getting some great information

1730
01:16:34,750 --> 01:16:33,290
do you have do you have any I don't know

1731
01:16:36,400 --> 01:16:34,760
if you listen to any of the show but I'm

1732
01:16:40,150 --> 01:16:36,410
wonder if you have anything to add right

1733
01:16:42,939 --> 01:16:40,160
now but I'd like to ask you what was

1734
01:16:46,540 --> 01:16:42,949
your I know what my gut feeling was as

1735
01:16:49,030 --> 01:16:46,550
soon as I saw this thing I can't even

1736
01:16:51,520 --> 01:16:49,040
understand why anyone elses gut feeling

1737
01:16:53,890 --> 01:16:51,530
would be that different anyone that's

1738
01:16:56,020 --> 01:16:53,900
ever seen anything in a museum or seen

1739
01:16:57,700 --> 01:16:56,030
anything displayed what was your how did

1740
01:17:04,600 --> 01:16:57,710
it all come about when you first saw

1741
01:17:06,820 --> 01:17:04,610
this I was I surprised about this whole

1742
01:17:08,650 --> 01:17:06,830
thing I've said for months and months

1743
01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:08,660
that this was going to turn out badly I

1744
01:17:14,080 --> 01:17:11,570
feared it would turn out badly and I had

1745
01:17:17,650 --> 01:17:14,090
not seen anything other than the screen

1746
01:17:20,080 --> 01:17:17,660
grab that came from Adam dues little

1747
01:17:21,400 --> 01:17:20,090
documentary that i believe it was german

1748
01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:21,410
group who managed to get that and

1749
01:17:27,669 --> 01:17:24,650
circulated it and i looked at that and i

1750
01:17:31,240 --> 01:17:27,679
just was appalled that the whole deal

1751
01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:31,250
the other thing was i sent i had tried

1752
01:17:35,380 --> 01:17:34,010
to figure out based on the timing of

1753
01:17:37,810 --> 01:17:35,390
this and yet the slides were actually

1754
01:17:40,240 --> 01:17:37,820
taken in 1947 what could they possibly

1755
01:17:41,590 --> 01:17:40,250
show and i went back to a number of

1756
01:17:43,870 --> 01:17:41,600
books that i have it they talked about

1757
01:17:45,280 --> 01:17:43,880
what was going on in science fiction in

1758
01:17:47,050 --> 01:17:45,290
the movies at the time and it really

1759
01:17:49,479 --> 01:17:47,060
wasn't anything to fit that because all

1760
01:17:53,740 --> 01:17:49,489
the aliens in the movies were pretty

1761
01:17:55,990 --> 01:17:53,750
much human and looking at the covers of

1762
01:17:57,669 --> 01:17:56,000
science fiction magazines from the 30s

1763
01:18:00,340 --> 01:17:57,679
and 40s you get a whole variety of

1764
01:18:02,470 --> 01:18:00,350
really weird-looking aliens and I sent

1765
01:18:04,689 --> 01:18:02,480
Tom carry an email in December and I

1766
01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:04,699
said Tom could this possibly be a money

1767
01:18:08,290 --> 01:18:06,410
because there was anything I could think

1768
01:18:09,939 --> 01:18:08,300
about some kind of a mummy probably

1769
01:18:12,550 --> 01:18:09,949
discovered in the southwest simply

1770
01:18:17,560 --> 01:18:12,560
because the rage lived in the southwest

1771
01:18:20,169 --> 01:18:17,570
and that was where the geological area

1772
01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:20,179
that he covered was Anton said no it's

1773
01:18:23,530 --> 01:18:21,650
not a money we've looked at hundreds and

1774
01:18:26,110 --> 01:18:23,540
hundreds of pictures of mummies and this

1775
01:18:27,669 --> 01:18:26,120
doesn't match and I suspect now they

1776
01:18:30,520 --> 01:18:27,679
were looking for an exact match as

1777
01:18:34,689 --> 01:18:30,530
opposed to kind of a general match so I

1778
01:18:37,000 --> 01:18:34,699
was always kind of leery of the thing

1779
01:18:38,630 --> 01:18:37,010
and I imposed questions about the

1780
01:18:40,520 --> 01:18:38,640
provenance of

1781
01:18:44,360 --> 01:18:40,530
the slide how do we know they came from

1782
01:18:46,490 --> 01:18:44,370
the raise how do we know that they were

1783
01:18:48,590 --> 01:18:46,500
found in Sedona Arizona how do we know

1784
01:18:50,300 --> 01:18:48,600
all of this stuff and not only did we

1785
01:18:52,280 --> 01:18:50,310
not have a good provenance we couldn't

1786
01:18:53,780 --> 01:18:52,290
couldn't talk supt ographers we couldn't

1787
01:18:56,450 --> 01:18:53,790
talk to the people who'd found the

1788
01:19:00,380 --> 01:18:56,460
slides but there was no chain of custody

1789
01:19:03,170 --> 01:19:00,390
because apparently these were found one

1790
01:19:04,670 --> 01:19:03,180
maybe years after Hilda ray had died in

1791
01:19:05,810 --> 01:19:04,680
a house it may have been abandoned we

1792
01:19:08,300 --> 01:19:05,820
don't know who owned it or anything

1793
01:19:10,190 --> 01:19:08,310
about it so the chain of custody was

1794
01:19:14,410 --> 01:19:10,200
broken in a number of places so it just

1795
01:19:16,730 --> 01:19:14,420
wasn't a good linkage of the slides to

1796
01:19:17,990 --> 01:19:16,740
specific people and we couldn't question

1797
01:19:20,210 --> 01:19:18,000
the photographer so there were a lot of

1798
01:19:21,650 --> 01:19:20,220
problems with the provenance and that

1799
01:19:24,050 --> 01:19:21,660
worried me greatly and I think on my

1800
01:19:25,310 --> 01:19:24,060
blog I talked about this a number of

1801
01:19:31,400 --> 01:19:25,320
times that I was worried about the

1802
01:19:32,780 --> 01:19:31,410
provenance yeah now in just just going

1803
01:19:35,540 --> 01:19:32,790
to throw this at you Kevin because you

1804
01:19:39,230 --> 01:19:35,550
were so heavily involved in Roswell

1805
01:19:40,430 --> 01:19:39,240
research do you think and earlier Philip

1806
01:19:43,280 --> 01:19:40,440
mantel said that he didn't really

1807
01:19:44,660 --> 01:19:43,290
believe it would hurt the investigation

1808
01:19:46,790 --> 01:19:44,670
going on he thought it would make it

1809
01:19:49,760 --> 01:19:46,800
more you know the publicity would bring

1810
01:19:51,830 --> 01:19:49,770
more people interested in it I myself

1811
01:19:54,800 --> 01:19:51,840
I'm not really of that opinion I think

1812
01:19:56,870 --> 01:19:54,810
it's kind of a black eye and what's your

1813
01:19:59,000 --> 01:19:56,880
opinion on that I think it's a black eye

1814
01:20:01,340 --> 01:19:59,010
as well I I don't see how it can do

1815
01:20:02,810 --> 01:20:01,350
anything but hurt if we look at the Air

1816
01:20:05,420 --> 01:20:02,820
Force investigation that took place in

1817
01:20:07,850 --> 01:20:05,430
the mid-1990s when they release their

1818
01:20:10,730 --> 01:20:07,860
information most everybody kind of

1819
01:20:12,650 --> 01:20:10,740
laughed at their idea of anthropomorphic

1820
01:20:15,890 --> 01:20:12,660
dummies being dropped from 10 or 15

1821
01:20:19,070 --> 01:20:15,900
years after the events in Roswell today

1822
01:20:21,440 --> 01:20:19,080
we now hear people who say well yeah

1823
01:20:23,960 --> 01:20:21,450
Roger was just this mobile balloon even

1824
01:20:27,290 --> 01:20:23,970
though the documentation chose is not a

1825
01:20:29,480 --> 01:20:27,300
mogul balloon the flight was cancelled

1826
01:20:31,370 --> 01:20:29,490
we have all of that information we still

1827
01:20:34,490 --> 01:20:31,380
have that problem and you can debate

1828
01:20:36,380 --> 01:20:34,500
that I think legitimately among the

1829
01:20:39,050 --> 01:20:36,390
skeptics and the believers and all of

1830
01:20:41,990 --> 01:20:39,060
that you can legitimately debate whether

1831
01:20:45,890 --> 01:20:42,000
or not the Moga bully makes sense but

1832
01:20:49,250 --> 01:20:45,900
here is something that blew up in a

1833
01:20:52,370 --> 01:20:49,260
matter of hours after after people

1834
01:20:55,280 --> 01:20:52,380
received a high quality good

1835
01:20:58,430 --> 01:20:55,290
resolution scan of one of the slides

1836
01:21:01,730 --> 01:20:58,440
within hours it was determined that it

1837
01:21:04,760 --> 01:21:01,740
was a mummy based on what the placard

1838
01:21:09,230 --> 01:21:04,770
said and within 24 hours I think Tony

1839
01:21:13,100 --> 01:21:09,240
magalia had found a listing at Mesa

1840
01:21:14,930 --> 01:21:13,110
Verde in a 1938 publication that talked

1841
01:21:17,900 --> 01:21:14,940
about the return of the money to Mesa

1842
01:21:20,540 --> 01:21:17,910
Verde and the wordage the verbiage

1843
01:21:24,560 --> 01:21:20,550
inside that article matched almost

1844
01:21:26,870 --> 01:21:24,570
exactly the text on the placard that had

1845
01:21:29,840 --> 01:21:26,880
been been uncovered by Kurt and the

1846
01:21:32,540 --> 01:21:29,850
Roswell slides research group and at

1847
01:21:34,820 --> 01:21:32,550
that point it's pretty clear that the

1848
01:21:37,130 --> 01:21:34,830
mummy has been identified we know where

1849
01:21:39,890 --> 01:21:37,140
it was they they have sent said they

1850
01:21:42,220 --> 01:21:39,900
removed all the human remains from their

1851
01:21:44,330 --> 01:21:42,230
displays and have them properly in turn

1852
01:21:47,740 --> 01:21:44,340
which i think is a wonderful thing for

1853
01:21:53,420 --> 01:21:47,750
them to have done but but within within

1854
01:21:55,250 --> 01:21:53,430
little hours of those outside the inner

1855
01:21:58,250 --> 01:21:55,260
circle getting the information they

1856
01:22:00,740 --> 01:21:58,260
needed it was identified exactly what it

1857
01:22:02,780 --> 01:22:00,750
was and I cannot see how that can do

1858
01:22:05,900 --> 01:22:02,790
anything but hurt the entire Roswell

1859
01:22:08,530 --> 01:22:05,910
investigation because it's suggest of

1860
01:22:12,290 --> 01:22:08,540
sloppiness in the investigative process

1861
01:22:14,320 --> 01:22:12,300
that kind of taint all of us because

1862
01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:14,330
because of the way this been played out

1863
01:22:20,180 --> 01:22:18,810
right right you know something I kind of

1864
01:22:23,500 --> 01:22:20,190
threw up in the chat room just to get a

1865
01:22:26,450 --> 01:22:23,510
little discussion going earlier was

1866
01:22:29,060 --> 01:22:26,460
could this I mean there's probably too

1867
01:22:31,760 --> 01:22:29,070
many key people involved but this could

1868
01:22:33,740 --> 01:22:31,770
almost be considered a disinformation

1869
01:22:37,880 --> 01:22:33,750
ploy to make us look like a bunch of

1870
01:22:41,510 --> 01:22:37,890
bozos I mean you know I mean I'm sure it

1871
01:22:44,630 --> 01:22:41,520
isn't but you know I it's pretty clear

1872
01:22:47,120 --> 01:22:44,640
it's not a disinformation ploy I think

1873
01:22:49,100 --> 01:22:47,130
the the I think I always thought of it

1874
01:22:50,990 --> 01:22:49,110
and I said a long time ago that I kind

1875
01:22:53,660 --> 01:22:51,000
of thought of this is alien autopsy

1876
01:22:54,950 --> 01:22:53,670
light because all they had to do is come

1877
01:22:58,670 --> 01:22:54,960
up with a couple of slides you didn't

1878
01:23:02,090 --> 01:22:58,680
have to come up with movie footage and

1879
01:23:03,800 --> 01:23:02,100
and so I I think of it as alien autopsy

1880
01:23:05,550 --> 01:23:03,810
light but there is a documentary that

1881
01:23:10,040 --> 01:23:05,560
was being prepared during the

1882
01:23:14,670 --> 01:23:10,050
time and I think that was the motivation

1883
01:23:18,210 --> 01:23:14,680
for Adam do and his people was to make

1884
01:23:22,650 --> 01:23:18,220
the documentary and so they weren't

1885
01:23:24,960 --> 01:23:22,660
working to resolve what it was with the

1886
01:23:27,420 --> 01:23:24,970
same vigor that that that the left of us

1887
01:23:31,070 --> 01:23:27,430
should have been looking for it so I

1888
01:23:33,930 --> 01:23:31,080
think that's really the motivation is a

1889
01:23:37,140 --> 01:23:33,940
money-making ploy by Adam do and his

1890
01:23:41,360 --> 01:23:37,150
documentary company yeah unfortunately I

1891
01:23:47,220 --> 01:23:45,840
Peggy who helps us with facebook I hope

1892
01:23:49,080 --> 01:23:47,230
you know you're listening right now hope

1893
01:23:51,870 --> 01:23:49,090
she's not going to mad at me but she's

1894
01:23:54,720 --> 01:23:51,880
actually was communicating with with

1895
01:23:56,670 --> 01:23:54,730
Adam do right after this whole thing

1896
01:23:58,230 --> 01:23:56,680
came out and he was emailing her back

1897
01:24:01,620 --> 01:23:58,240
they had conversations going back and

1898
01:24:06,270 --> 01:24:01,630
forth and then once the placard was deep

1899
01:24:08,670 --> 01:24:06,280
lurd he came out strictly just saying

1900
01:24:11,490 --> 01:24:08,680
that you know it was false it was done

1901
01:24:12,780 --> 01:24:11,500
through Photoshop and you know I think

1902
01:24:16,410 --> 01:24:12,790
he's kind of sticking to his guns on

1903
01:24:19,110 --> 01:24:16,420
that and before I move on from that i

1904
01:24:22,380 --> 01:24:19,120
would like to also ask we do what you

1905
01:24:24,240 --> 01:24:22,390
thought of this I'm not trying to sling

1906
01:24:28,260 --> 01:24:24,250
mud but I don't think that hi Mia

1907
01:24:29,700 --> 01:24:28,270
Mulsanne is going to change what he his

1908
01:24:32,700 --> 01:24:29,710
thoughts are on this I think he's going

1909
01:24:33,990 --> 01:24:32,710
to stick to his guns I may be totally

1910
01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:34,000
wrong do you have any input on that

1911
01:24:39,150 --> 01:24:35,770
Kevin the only thing the only thing I

1912
01:24:41,070 --> 01:24:39,160
know and I for him it's true second

1913
01:24:44,370 --> 01:24:41,080
parties I I have not communicated with

1914
01:24:48,240 --> 01:24:44,380
him directly but he seems to be of the

1915
01:24:51,950 --> 01:24:48,250
opinion we have these experts the

1916
01:24:54,780 --> 01:24:51,960
Canadian I think there's three Mexican

1917
01:24:56,940 --> 01:24:54,790
pathologist or medical personnel

1918
01:24:59,280 --> 01:24:56,950
involved in this who said that it's not

1919
01:25:00,660 --> 01:24:59,290
human and he's sticking to that he say

1920
01:25:03,450 --> 01:25:00,670
well how do you explain these guys

1921
01:25:05,070 --> 01:25:03,460
coming to these conclusions and I'm

1922
01:25:08,430 --> 01:25:05,080
thinking they were looking at a freaking

1923
01:25:09,950 --> 01:25:08,440
slide so I'm not sure how they made some

1924
01:25:14,190 --> 01:25:09,960
of these some of these conclusions

1925
01:25:16,380 --> 01:25:14,200
that's where they they are Don Madonn

1926
01:25:17,830 --> 01:25:16,390
Tom caring released a statement

1927
01:25:20,050 --> 01:25:17,840
yesterday

1928
01:25:21,280 --> 01:25:20,060
that I grew up on my blog and I think

1929
01:25:24,700 --> 01:25:21,290
it's been up on a number of other

1930
01:25:26,890 --> 01:25:24,710
locations as well and tom is sticking to

1931
01:25:30,220 --> 01:25:26,900
it as well and it's the same sort of

1932
01:25:33,640 --> 01:25:30,230
attitude but we have the scientist who

1933
01:25:37,540 --> 01:25:33,650
said the it isn't human and my response

1934
01:25:40,780 --> 01:25:37,550
is but we know it is because we found

1935
01:25:43,209 --> 01:25:40,790
the mummy and it didn't take months and

1936
01:25:46,870 --> 01:25:43,219
months of searching once we had the good

1937
01:25:49,209 --> 01:25:46,880
quality scanned it was a matter of hours

1938
01:25:55,050 --> 01:25:49,219
before all of this blew up so he's

1939
01:25:58,510 --> 01:25:55,060
sticking to it tom is I think very very

1940
01:26:00,129 --> 01:25:58,520
disturbed and very very disheartened by

1941
01:26:02,919 --> 01:26:00,139
this whole thing but he's sticking with

1942
01:26:05,830 --> 01:26:02,929
his friends one of his friends being the

1943
01:26:09,160 --> 01:26:05,840
Canadian anthropologist he's sticking

1944
01:26:12,300 --> 01:26:09,170
with their analysis that the thing is

1945
01:26:17,280 --> 01:26:12,310
not human even in light of the fact that

1946
01:26:21,550 --> 01:26:17,290
the the placard has been then be blurred

1947
01:26:24,040 --> 01:26:21,560
Don had said in an email yesterday that

1948
01:26:28,689 --> 01:26:24,050
if it could be verified to independent

1949
01:26:30,910 --> 01:26:28,699
sources that it the pocket is ben de

1950
01:26:33,220 --> 01:26:30,920
blurred then then he would he would step

1951
01:26:35,020 --> 01:26:33,230
up to the plate and I sent him an

1952
01:26:39,550 --> 01:26:35,030
immediate email after i saw that and he

1953
01:26:41,350 --> 01:26:39,560
said Don if not just the waffle slide

1954
01:26:43,300 --> 01:26:41,360
group which you could dismiss if you

1955
01:26:47,229 --> 01:26:43,310
want to because do you thinking of them

1956
01:26:49,570 --> 01:26:47,239
as debunkers or or skeptics but it's a

1957
01:26:51,580 --> 01:26:49,580
lot of other people from at least a half

1958
01:26:55,570 --> 01:26:51,590
a dozen different arenas saying that's

1959
01:26:57,640 --> 01:26:55,580
what it says not to mention the journal

1960
01:27:03,879 --> 01:26:57,650
article have been found and so I think

1961
01:27:08,729 --> 01:27:03,889
God's attitude is we blew it right right

1962
01:27:11,410 --> 01:27:08,739
now you and I spoke just briefly earlier

1963
01:27:14,379 --> 01:27:11,420
later on do you want to talk about your

1964
01:27:15,550 --> 01:27:14,389
conversation you had earlier that was

1965
01:27:18,580 --> 01:27:15,560
that was kind of the crux of the

1966
01:27:21,399 --> 01:27:18,590
conversation was what do we do now don

1967
01:27:23,709 --> 01:27:21,409
was speaking of him and Tom and his

1968
01:27:26,250 --> 01:27:23,719
group what do we do now and my advice

1969
01:27:29,859 --> 01:27:26,260
was released a statement immediately

1970
01:27:30,669 --> 01:27:29,869
that quickly you can put it out about

1971
01:27:33,850 --> 01:27:30,679
what

1972
01:27:36,699 --> 01:27:33,860
happened do not point fingers do not lay

1973
01:27:40,569 --> 01:27:36,709
blame which is basically saying we blew

1974
01:27:44,140 --> 01:27:40,579
it and and I think that's the direction

1975
01:27:46,839 --> 01:27:44,150
he's going to take from my discussion

1976
01:27:48,729 --> 01:27:46,849
with him we'll have to wait and see

1977
01:27:53,739 --> 01:27:48,739
exactly how he says it but from my

1978
01:27:57,100 --> 01:27:53,749
discussions with him he realizes they

1979
01:27:59,109 --> 01:27:57,110
blew it I don't think the blame falls on

1980
01:28:01,390 --> 01:27:59,119
him I think that if you look at it and

1981
01:28:05,109 --> 01:28:01,400
you talk to the people involved in all

1982
01:28:07,330 --> 01:28:05,119
of this they were working off what they

1983
01:28:12,040 --> 01:28:07,340
thought were the best quality scans of

1984
01:28:16,080 --> 01:28:12,050
the slides provided by Adam do and so I

1985
01:28:19,060 --> 01:28:16,090
think that that it's pretty clear that

1986
01:28:21,790 --> 01:28:19,070
one portion of the slide if you could

1987
01:28:23,919 --> 01:28:21,800
see the the placard had been had they

1988
01:28:26,830 --> 01:28:23,929
been manipulated so it could not be d

1989
01:28:29,140 --> 01:28:26,840
blurred by anybody else until those

1990
01:28:34,319 --> 01:28:29,150
those other scans appeared and I think

1991
01:28:39,129 --> 01:28:34,329
it was Kurt who mentioned that they took

1992
01:28:43,029 --> 01:28:39,139
the scan off Adam dudes website after

1993
01:28:45,489 --> 01:28:43,039
this program appeared a played-out and

1994
01:28:47,259 --> 01:28:45,499
it was within a couple of hours they

1995
01:28:48,819 --> 01:28:47,269
were able to see exactly what the

1996
01:28:51,339 --> 01:28:48,829
placard said and there's no question

1997
01:28:53,589 --> 01:28:51,349
that's what it says right hurt the game

1998
01:28:57,399 --> 01:28:53,599
and drop at this point we are it's done

1999
01:29:00,339 --> 01:28:57,409
we know what the slides are exactly you

2000
01:29:02,679 --> 01:29:00,349
know I mean there's just so many things

2001
01:29:04,779 --> 01:29:02,689
you know I don't want to repeat myself

2002
01:29:07,149 --> 01:29:04,789
so I'm not going to but there was just

2003
01:29:09,660 --> 01:29:07,159
so many things in the situation that was

2004
01:29:12,429 --> 01:29:09,670
pointing in that direction anyway Kurt

2005
01:29:14,649 --> 01:29:12,439
how many people were are you aware of

2006
01:29:19,750 --> 01:29:14,659
that did independent separate a

2007
01:29:26,469 --> 01:29:19,760
deblurring of the placard there are

2008
01:29:27,790 --> 01:29:26,479
there quite a few and Christian Ultron

2009
01:29:30,640 --> 01:29:27,800
network we're going to publish a list

2010
01:29:32,620 --> 01:29:30,650
and it actually um Isaac oi put

2011
01:29:34,870 --> 01:29:32,630
something on the love top secret website

2012
01:29:36,819 --> 01:29:34,880
showing how it could be done encourage

2013
01:29:38,280 --> 01:29:36,829
people to try and in fact it once you

2014
01:29:40,590 --> 01:29:38,290
know how to do it and

2015
01:29:44,220 --> 01:29:40,600
the proper settings he said you can do

2016
01:29:46,590 --> 01:29:44,230
it in 90 seconds so its own it but the

2017
01:29:48,480 --> 01:29:46,600
trick is knowing how I can understand

2018
01:29:50,160 --> 01:29:48,490
you know even some of our people you

2019
01:29:52,530 --> 01:29:50,170
know they had they had to work at it and

2020
01:29:55,200 --> 01:29:52,540
some of the early results are really bad

2021
01:29:57,930 --> 01:29:55,210
and the first words that came out were

2022
01:30:00,090 --> 01:29:57,940
made of two and we said aha it's it's

2023
01:30:01,620 --> 01:30:00,100
something that's like a fake made out of

2024
01:30:04,470 --> 01:30:01,630
two different things like a Fiji mermaid

2025
01:30:08,970 --> 01:30:04,480
but as it became clear we saw it was

2026
01:30:11,430 --> 01:30:08,980
over two year old boy and the but to

2027
01:30:14,070 --> 01:30:11,440
answer your question a lot but I don't

2028
01:30:16,980 --> 01:30:14,080
have the numbers and names right in

2029
01:30:21,300 --> 01:30:16,990
front of me but the the threat on 80s

2030
01:30:24,210 --> 01:30:21,310
will show you some of it Jeff Ritzman

2031
01:30:26,970 --> 01:30:24,220
well he did an independent version and

2032
01:30:29,340 --> 01:30:26,980
then once he had done he offered help

2033
01:30:32,100 --> 01:30:29,350
and he he was you know just a day or so

2034
01:30:34,020 --> 01:30:32,110
ago became part of our group and he was

2035
01:30:37,110 --> 01:30:34,030
able to really show us how to refine the

2036
01:30:40,020 --> 01:30:37,120
image and to save it so that it could be

2037
01:30:42,990 --> 01:30:40,030
shared and you know with the technical

2038
01:30:46,410 --> 01:30:43,000
details come with you oh I think a

2039
01:30:49,140 --> 01:30:46,420
fillip mantle I said in in the segment

2040
01:30:52,980 --> 01:30:49,150
with him that it he and his friends had

2041
01:30:54,810 --> 01:30:52,990
done it and now I don't do is saying

2042
01:30:58,260 --> 01:30:54,820
that he hasn't been able to replicate it

2043
01:31:01,110 --> 01:30:58,270
I will say oh this is important I wanted

2044
01:31:03,000 --> 01:31:01,120
to ask up I'm Kevin about Tony bruh

2045
01:31:08,010 --> 01:31:03,010
galleon I don't know him at all except

2046
01:31:09,720 --> 01:31:08,020
for when he's insulted me but he

2047
01:31:12,150 --> 01:31:09,730
published he claimed that what we had

2048
01:31:14,700 --> 01:31:12,160
done was fake and he probably believed

2049
01:31:19,350 --> 01:31:14,710
that at the time but he he published I

2050
01:31:20,730 --> 01:31:19,360
think four or five images scans and I'm

2051
01:31:23,010 --> 01:31:20,740
not a technical guy at all you know I

2052
01:31:24,810 --> 01:31:23,020
barely got this microphone working the

2053
01:31:26,370 --> 01:31:24,820
guys that had it though they looked at

2054
01:31:28,200 --> 01:31:26,380
and they said this has been processed

2055
01:31:30,180 --> 01:31:28,210
this has been bleached out and they were

2056
01:31:32,010 --> 01:31:30,190
trying to make it clearer but this isn't

2057
01:31:34,260 --> 01:31:32,020
something good to work for prom and I

2058
01:31:38,310 --> 01:31:34,270
don't know if they're experts were shown

2059
01:31:41,820 --> 01:31:38,320
anything better but hey we're not that

2060
01:31:44,070 --> 01:31:41,830
and that's the problem Tony told me

2061
01:31:46,200 --> 01:31:44,080
specifically this is the this light or

2062
01:31:48,360 --> 01:31:46,210
the the image they were working from so

2063
01:31:50,460 --> 01:31:48,370
they couldn't possibly be blur it

2064
01:31:51,450 --> 01:31:50,470
because it had been manipulated so they

2065
01:31:53,130 --> 01:31:51,460
couldn't

2066
01:31:55,979 --> 01:31:53,140
I think David rhew diac had the same

2067
01:31:57,840 --> 01:31:55,989
problem and any when you're talking

2068
01:32:00,660 --> 01:31:57,850
about who else has been able to deburr

2069
01:32:02,340 --> 01:32:00,670
it now that Lou diac has gotten a good

2070
01:32:05,220 --> 01:32:02,350
copy of the slide he's been able to be

2071
01:32:07,620 --> 01:32:05,230
blur it as his Frank Warren so with

2072
01:32:09,420 --> 01:32:07,630
Phillip mantle people and everybody else

2073
01:32:11,640 --> 01:32:09,430
you know half a dozen people i'm aware

2074
01:32:15,300 --> 01:32:11,650
of who've done it independently of

2075
01:32:17,310 --> 01:32:15,310
Kurt's group who has done it so if it's

2076
01:32:19,770 --> 01:32:17,320
clear we know what it says and tony was

2077
01:32:22,650 --> 01:32:19,780
the one that actually found the journal

2078
01:32:24,930 --> 01:32:22,660
article that that discussed it as well

2079
01:32:26,820 --> 01:32:24,940
using almost the same words and i know

2080
01:32:29,120 --> 01:32:26,830
at that point tony was extremely

2081
01:32:31,740 --> 01:32:29,130
distressed by the whole the whole thing

2082
01:32:34,020 --> 01:32:31,750
and being being led but they were

2083
01:32:37,380 --> 01:32:34,030
working from scans provided by adam do

2084
01:32:40,620 --> 01:32:37,390
and i am those scans I don't think could

2085
01:32:42,959 --> 01:32:40,630
be de blurred so there was a lot of

2086
01:32:44,729 --> 01:32:42,969
manipulation of the slides going on as

2087
01:32:47,790 --> 01:32:44,739
they were being shared amongst the

2088
01:32:50,610 --> 01:32:47,800
researchers I want to ask a question of

2089
01:32:52,650 --> 01:32:50,620
someone on the message board basically

2090
01:32:55,170 --> 01:32:52,660
said that they're not going to believe

2091
01:32:57,330 --> 01:32:55,180
these were too blurred until they have

2092
01:33:02,280 --> 01:32:57,340
evidence of it anyone want to address

2093
01:33:05,070 --> 01:33:02,290
that I i think i think the point is

2094
01:33:07,860 --> 01:33:05,080
excuse me could I think the point is I

2095
01:33:09,870 --> 01:33:07,870
take a look at what is from the nineteen

2096
01:33:11,280 --> 01:33:09,880
thirty-eight journal article which has

2097
01:33:13,770 --> 01:33:11,290
been sourced so you can look it up

2098
01:33:16,470 --> 01:33:13,780
yourselves I think the people at the

2099
01:33:21,000 --> 01:33:16,480
Museum it Mesa Verde has made some it's

2100
01:33:24,060 --> 01:33:21,010
a makeover yes I have said this was a

2101
01:33:26,130 --> 01:33:24,070
mummy on display in our Museum until we

2102
01:33:28,910 --> 01:33:26,140
removed it because we wanted to treat

2103
01:33:32,640 --> 01:33:28,920
the human remains as we'd expect our own

2104
01:33:35,010 --> 01:33:32,650
family members to be treated so that's

2105
01:33:36,810 --> 01:33:35,020
really kind of a moot point it's not an

2106
01:33:39,209 --> 01:33:36,820
argument of whether the placard says

2107
01:33:43,050 --> 01:33:39,219
what we think it says it's now how did

2108
01:33:45,930 --> 01:33:43,060
we get to this point ok indefinitely had

2109
01:33:48,240 --> 01:33:45,940
I just wanted to say one thing that will

2110
01:33:50,820 --> 01:33:48,250
you know he said better than I could but

2111
01:33:53,100 --> 01:33:50,830
I just want the in an article that I put

2112
01:33:55,740 --> 01:33:53,110
up today I collected the information we

2113
01:33:57,150 --> 01:33:55,750
found another article matching the mummy

2114
01:33:59,870 --> 01:33:57,160
not only describing what was on the

2115
01:34:01,780 --> 01:33:59,880
placard but specific details about the

2116
01:34:03,760 --> 01:34:01,790
part of a blanket around

2117
01:34:06,250 --> 01:34:03,770
the neck and the fact that the lower leg

2118
01:34:08,100 --> 01:34:06,260
was missing and I forget something else

2119
01:34:12,400 --> 01:34:08,110
always I think a third descriptive but

2120
01:34:13,870 --> 01:34:12,410
there's well I suppose some people will

2121
01:34:15,160 --> 01:34:13,880
down anything especially if it's come

2122
01:34:17,560 --> 01:34:15,170
from something they someone they don't

2123
01:34:20,170 --> 01:34:17,570
agree with but the description matches

2124
01:34:23,230 --> 01:34:20,180
the body that's displayed in the Roswell

2125
01:34:24,520 --> 01:34:23,240
slides pictures and the other thing is

2126
01:34:27,370 --> 01:34:24,530
there are people who do believe the

2127
01:34:30,340 --> 01:34:27,380
alien autopsy and realize who made it

2128
01:34:31,630 --> 01:34:30,350
have even said yes we made it and then

2129
01:34:33,280 --> 01:34:31,640
you can't get that yet and there's

2130
01:34:34,990 --> 01:34:33,290
people who believe that so there's going

2131
01:34:38,050 --> 01:34:35,000
to be a small group of people who are

2132
01:34:39,760 --> 01:34:38,060
going to not believe it that it has been

2133
01:34:40,990 --> 01:34:39,770
resolved that we know what it is is

2134
01:34:42,700 --> 01:34:41,000
going to be that group of people who are

2135
01:34:44,350 --> 01:34:42,710
going to reject all the information

2136
01:34:46,060 --> 01:34:44,360
regardless because they want to believe

2137
01:34:48,430 --> 01:34:46,070
here are pictures of alien creatures

2138
01:34:51,460 --> 01:34:48,440
that's right does anyone know who came

2139
01:34:55,060 --> 01:34:51,470
up with the the clear image how that got

2140
01:34:58,960 --> 01:34:55,070
out part of it came from Adam do himself

2141
01:35:01,840 --> 01:34:58,970
off his website so someone actually was

2142
01:35:04,600 --> 01:35:01,850
able to take the image off of Adam Jews

2143
01:35:08,200 --> 01:35:04,610
his own personal website and to blur it

2144
01:35:10,870 --> 01:35:08,210
yeah that's what doesn't make any sense

2145
01:35:12,430 --> 01:35:10,880
to me if he actually was claiming that

2146
01:35:13,720 --> 01:35:12,440
so many people were trying to work on

2147
01:35:16,780 --> 01:35:13,730
this thing and could come up with

2148
01:35:21,100 --> 01:35:16,790
nothing that's a crazy claim to make

2149
01:35:23,110 --> 01:35:21,110
really i'm going to back up to a couple

2150
01:35:25,210 --> 01:35:23,120
things we touched on you mentioned a

2151
01:35:27,460 --> 01:35:25,220
high knee massage he claims to be

2152
01:35:30,580 --> 01:35:27,470
issuing a statement but what is what he

2153
01:35:33,610 --> 01:35:30,590
has said so far indicates the belief

2154
01:35:37,510 --> 01:35:33,620
that even if the placard somehow turns

2155
01:35:40,390 --> 01:35:37,520
out to be correct it's a inconsequential

2156
01:35:43,450 --> 01:35:40,400
and that the body is out of an alien now

2157
01:35:45,580 --> 01:35:43,460
I see so is a disinformation thing no no

2158
01:35:48,250 --> 01:35:45,590
they put a placard in front a mummy

2159
01:35:51,540 --> 01:35:48,260
placard in front of an alien yeah just a

2160
01:35:56,800 --> 01:35:51,550
museum got it wrong dancing an alien I

2161
01:35:59,200 --> 01:35:56,810
love it so wow I can tell them can I ask

2162
01:36:01,690 --> 01:35:59,210
you are you familiar with the the owners

2163
01:36:05,470 --> 01:36:01,700
of the slides of the people that did you

2164
01:36:11,410 --> 01:36:05,480
know that story because it's okay it's

2165
01:36:13,150 --> 01:36:11,420
out now and the oh I don't know the true

2166
01:36:14,470 --> 01:36:13,160
story but I mean I know that the names

2167
01:36:16,060 --> 01:36:14,480
of the people that's all

2168
01:36:17,440 --> 01:36:16,070
I don't know what they're up to but I

2169
01:36:21,310 --> 01:36:17,450
know that it's there's been an effort to

2170
01:36:24,310 --> 01:36:21,320
keep them secret the man is Joseph dicen

2171
01:36:27,700 --> 01:36:24,320
and he's a he's a partner in slime vox

2172
01:36:30,250 --> 01:36:27,710
media the company sister the night he

2173
01:36:32,890 --> 01:36:30,260
got a key with an IT guy yeah he

2174
01:36:35,170 --> 01:36:32,900
designed their website the slide box me

2175
01:36:36,729 --> 01:36:35,180
too what website too so you know I'm

2176
01:36:39,660 --> 01:36:36,739
assuming he's right back there right

2177
01:36:43,840 --> 01:36:39,670
along with them you know all along

2178
01:36:45,220 --> 01:36:43,850
supposedly yeah I only don't know much

2179
01:36:46,930 --> 01:36:45,230
more than that I know that you know was

2180
01:36:48,700 --> 01:36:46,940
his sister there's a story goes foul

2181
01:36:54,970 --> 01:36:48,710
down the slides and she appeared in the

2182
01:36:56,830 --> 01:36:54,980
program be witness the thing that the

2183
01:36:59,740 --> 01:36:56,840
question I won't asked and I haven't

2184
01:37:02,710 --> 01:36:59,750
been able to get answers how do you find

2185
01:37:05,110 --> 01:37:02,720
these slides and then assume that

2186
01:37:08,140 --> 01:37:05,120
they're an alien creature how do you

2187
01:37:11,560 --> 01:37:08,150
make that leap exactly I've been saying

2188
01:37:13,060 --> 01:37:11,570
that since the beginning I don't insult

2189
01:37:14,530 --> 01:37:13,070
these people too much because they've

2190
01:37:16,390 --> 01:37:14,540
done a really good job of shoot

2191
01:37:18,700 --> 01:37:16,400
themselves in the foot but look Kevin

2192
01:37:21,040 --> 01:37:18,710
you know you've investigated all this

2193
01:37:22,420 --> 01:37:21,050
time you've gone out you belong to talk

2194
01:37:25,540 --> 01:37:22,430
to people they claim to done the same

2195
01:37:27,910 --> 01:37:25,550
thing and archaeological digs and you

2196
01:37:30,490 --> 01:37:27,920
know that can be demonstrated but then

2197
01:37:32,350 --> 01:37:30,500
after whatever 20 years you get an email

2198
01:37:34,390 --> 01:37:32,360
from synovitis says I've got a picture

2199
01:37:36,880 --> 01:37:34,400
of an alien you know you can't produce

2200
01:37:39,370 --> 01:37:36,890
with this work and then that just I

2201
01:37:40,840 --> 01:37:39,380
don't know that's I would be highly

2202
01:37:44,800 --> 01:37:40,850
suspicious I know they just said they

2203
01:37:49,750 --> 01:37:44,810
were but I it's probable I think what

2204
01:37:50,979 --> 01:37:49,760
happened here is is decent and do were

2205
01:37:55,660 --> 01:37:50,989
the ones that came forward with the

2206
01:37:59,140 --> 01:37:55,670
slide and approached Tom caring and talk

2207
01:38:01,300 --> 01:37:59,150
to him about it and I know that there

2208
01:38:04,720 --> 01:38:01,310
was some reticence on the part of cherry

2209
01:38:06,640 --> 01:38:04,730
and Schmidt to accept this as an alien

2210
01:38:10,840 --> 01:38:06,650
and what was sort of the convincing

2211
01:38:12,490 --> 01:38:10,850
factor was some of the expert opinion

2212
01:38:15,940 --> 01:38:12,500
saying this is not a mummy this is not a

2213
01:38:17,710 --> 01:38:15,950
human being this is a I think one of the

2214
01:38:21,010 --> 01:38:17,720
guy said it's a creature that evolved on

2215
01:38:25,420 --> 01:38:21,020
another planet and it's more reptilian

2216
01:38:28,240 --> 01:38:25,430
than humans and I think that was part of

2217
01:38:32,340 --> 01:38:28,250
the thing that that convinced them

2218
01:38:38,200 --> 01:38:32,350
here are these experts in human anatomy

2219
01:38:41,470 --> 01:38:38,210
human evolution human biology who were

2220
01:38:44,770 --> 01:38:41,480
saying these sorts of things about the

2221
01:38:48,210 --> 01:38:44,780
picture the the slide and I think that

2222
01:38:51,220 --> 01:38:48,220
went away one a long way of convincing

2223
01:38:56,530 --> 01:38:51,230
the others that there was this was

2224
01:38:58,060 --> 01:38:56,540
something alien and I hardly have a hard

2225
01:39:02,860 --> 01:38:58,070
time wrapping my head around how you

2226
01:39:07,510 --> 01:39:02,870
could be dragged to that point given

2227
01:39:11,710 --> 01:39:07,520
given what we've seen now but by the

2228
01:39:16,210 --> 01:39:11,720
same token they were never given I think

2229
01:39:18,430 --> 01:39:16,220
dawn saw the slides one time in a

2230
01:39:20,650 --> 01:39:18,440
restaurant and he had to use a jeweler's

2231
01:39:22,360 --> 01:39:20,660
loupe to examine them so he didn't get a

2232
01:39:24,160 --> 01:39:22,370
good look at him from that point on they

2233
01:39:28,720 --> 01:39:24,170
worked from scams that were provided by

2234
01:39:29,770 --> 01:39:28,730
do and apparently the scans well as i

2235
01:39:33,250 --> 01:39:29,780
said the scans were apparently

2236
01:39:36,400 --> 01:39:33,260
manipulated and Don had said that he

2237
01:39:38,050 --> 01:39:36,410
didn't he thought the second slide when

2238
01:39:40,270 --> 01:39:38,060
he showed the head he didn't realize it

2239
01:39:43,570 --> 01:39:40,280
was the whole body and he didn't see

2240
01:39:46,240 --> 01:39:43,580
that slide until Tuesday when they were

2241
01:39:49,660 --> 01:39:46,250
in Mexico City so I think there was some

2242
01:39:52,690 --> 01:39:49,670
of that going on and you've got you've

2243
01:39:57,580 --> 01:39:52,700
got other people you got do ambushing a

2244
01:39:59,050 --> 01:39:57,590
90 year old guy in a driveway who is one

2245
01:40:01,990 --> 01:39:59,060
of the only people who claim to have

2246
01:40:05,050 --> 01:40:02,000
seen the bodies back in 1947 ambushing

2247
01:40:07,420 --> 01:40:05,060
him in his driveway and with a camera

2248
01:40:09,340 --> 01:40:07,430
crew trying to get him to say that yeah

2249
01:40:10,930 --> 01:40:09,350
this is what i saw this is exactly what

2250
01:40:13,720 --> 01:40:10,940
I saw as a way of connecting it to the

2251
01:40:14,740 --> 01:40:13,730
Roswell case right you know before I

2252
01:40:16,330 --> 01:40:14,750
just want to make this quick

2253
01:40:19,240 --> 01:40:16,340
announcement because i forgot to say it

2254
01:40:22,630 --> 01:40:19,250
earlier I mentioned that Peggy was in

2255
01:40:24,880 --> 01:40:22,640
communication with Adam do the last

2256
01:40:29,320 --> 01:40:24,890
number of days and we did formally

2257
01:40:30,850 --> 01:40:29,330
invite him on this show and for some

2258
01:40:33,940 --> 01:40:30,860
strange reason we haven't heard back

2259
01:40:36,370 --> 01:40:33,950
from him so I will also tell you that

2260
01:40:37,960 --> 01:40:36,380
that that don and Tom have not heard

2261
01:40:39,990 --> 01:40:37,970
from him in a couple of days too and

2262
01:40:42,070 --> 01:40:40,000
they sent him a number of emails asking

2263
01:40:45,280 --> 01:40:42,080
questions about things and

2264
01:40:49,510 --> 01:40:45,290
they were gone do and decent of God

2265
01:40:52,510 --> 01:40:49,520
silence yeah yep I believe that totally

2266
01:40:55,150 --> 01:40:52,520
believe that we contacted him as soon as

2267
01:40:57,220 --> 01:40:55,160
we had our results was this one had the

2268
01:40:58,930 --> 01:40:57,230
top line there was that their first two

2269
01:41:00,940 --> 01:40:58,940
things we could read well I think what

2270
01:41:02,770 --> 01:41:00,950
most people get on the first try and

2271
01:41:04,690 --> 01:41:02,780
that's the top line and then to San

2272
01:41:07,060 --> 01:41:04,700
Francisco it takes a lot of work to get

2273
01:41:09,130 --> 01:41:07,070
the rest of it and hurling results we

2274
01:41:11,020 --> 01:41:09,140
had a bunch of things blacked out but we

2275
01:41:14,020 --> 01:41:11,030
send it to we send it to Adam and said

2276
01:41:18,240 --> 01:41:14,030
you know what's going on and even

2277
01:41:21,700 --> 01:41:18,250
applied your Photoshop work is not good

2278
01:41:24,040 --> 01:41:21,710
even visually it is obvious so he

2279
01:41:26,110 --> 01:41:24,050
rejected it you know since called it

2280
01:41:29,530 --> 01:41:26,120
called it fake and as flowers and things

2281
01:41:31,720 --> 01:41:29,540
like that well when he called us

2282
01:41:33,430 --> 01:41:31,730
internet trolls to so which it was

2283
01:41:35,530 --> 01:41:33,440
probably true for some of the guys some

2284
01:41:38,200 --> 01:41:35,540
of the time if you read much of Lance

2285
01:41:42,250 --> 01:41:38,210
mute moody's communication but you know

2286
01:41:44,440 --> 01:41:42,260
he's got a softer side to some Frank

2287
01:41:47,500 --> 01:41:44,450
keep telling him he needs to talk down

2288
01:41:50,350 --> 01:41:47,510
the rhetoric in the comment section yes

2289
01:41:53,740 --> 01:41:50,360
yes but we know that's up to our own

2290
01:41:57,130 --> 01:41:53,750
comments um so you know this was really

2291
01:41:59,260 --> 01:41:57,140
born in on a blog I mean that's how the

2292
01:42:01,120 --> 01:41:59,270
story in the interest i mean i have to

2293
01:42:03,550 --> 01:42:01,130
admit that's why I got into it started

2294
01:42:05,530 --> 01:42:03,560
talking about with the guys in all these

2295
01:42:07,480 --> 01:42:05,540
stories at rich Reynolds and it seemed

2296
01:42:09,910 --> 01:42:07,490
like he really filled the debate and

2297
01:42:16,210 --> 01:42:09,920
then once it blew up he deleted all his

2298
01:42:17,800 --> 01:42:16,220
material on it well you'll have to

2299
01:42:23,860 --> 01:42:17,810
discuss with Bruce Reynolds with rich

2300
01:42:28,300 --> 01:42:23,870
Reynolds so the way that story got out

2301
01:42:32,170 --> 01:42:28,310
is always bothered me because apparently

2302
01:42:34,710 --> 01:42:32,180
from from what I've been told somebody

2303
01:42:37,960 --> 01:42:34,720
had gone to Midland to research the Rays

2304
01:42:39,250 --> 01:42:37,970
and someone overheard a conversation and

2305
01:42:40,960 --> 01:42:39,260
they were talking about this and called

2306
01:42:43,450 --> 01:42:40,970
Nick Redfern and gave him some of the

2307
01:42:45,070 --> 01:42:43,460
information and Redford was the one that

2308
01:42:48,220 --> 01:42:45,080
gave it to its rentals and he was a

2309
01:42:49,900 --> 01:42:48,230
woman published it on his blog so that

2310
01:42:52,750 --> 01:42:49,910
was that was how I first think about it

2311
01:42:56,770 --> 01:42:52,760
was when Reynold published it on in blog

2312
01:42:58,990 --> 01:42:56,780
but according to other information I've

2313
01:43:02,320 --> 01:42:59,000
got now is it was beef and who was down

2314
01:43:05,350 --> 01:43:02,330
in Midland trying looking into the Rays

2315
01:43:07,600 --> 01:43:05,360
and I'm just wondering if there was an

2316
01:43:09,610 --> 01:43:07,610
actual trip to Midland to look into the

2317
01:43:13,420 --> 01:43:09,620
background of the Rays and if decent or

2318
01:43:17,010 --> 01:43:13,430
somebody just didn't call Nick Redfern

2319
01:43:19,360 --> 01:43:17,020
to kind of stir the pot keep them going

2320
01:43:21,190 --> 01:43:19,370
that's a question up on the message

2321
01:43:23,640 --> 01:43:21,200
board and either one of you can answer

2322
01:43:29,740 --> 01:43:23,650
it if you'd like do you believe that

2323
01:43:32,110 --> 01:43:29,750
Kerry Schmidt umbra gaelia etc Jaime all

2324
01:43:36,670 --> 01:43:32,120
of them do you think they are still

2325
01:43:39,210 --> 01:43:36,680
credible researchers well i'm going to

2326
01:43:43,120 --> 01:43:39,220
say no but i'm going to leave it then

2327
01:43:44,860 --> 01:43:43,130
and what your do you hear better vote

2328
01:43:48,340 --> 01:43:44,870
their credibility has taken a major hit

2329
01:43:51,340 --> 01:43:48,350
and you did no way to deny it because of

2330
01:43:53,440 --> 01:43:51,350
of what has happened i mean if you go

2331
01:43:55,510 --> 01:43:53,450
back and you look at the statements they

2332
01:43:58,440 --> 01:43:55,520
made publicly you go back and look at

2333
01:44:01,360 --> 01:43:58,450
the statements that were on the internet

2334
01:44:02,770 --> 01:44:01,370
the documentaries they put out some of

2335
01:44:06,010 --> 01:44:02,780
the stuff that Jaime had put out as a

2336
01:44:07,660 --> 01:44:06,020
publicity for these the program and you

2337
01:44:09,610 --> 01:44:07,670
you listen to those statements and you

2338
01:44:12,640 --> 01:44:09,620
compare it with what we know now the

2339
01:44:17,380 --> 01:44:12,650
credibility has taken a major hit and I

2340
01:44:19,780 --> 01:44:17,390
think I think Don and Tom both know that

2341
01:44:22,600 --> 01:44:19,790
I think ponies has taken a lesser yet

2342
01:44:25,300 --> 01:44:22,610
simply because he is now on the record

2343
01:44:27,820 --> 01:44:25,310
as freeing yeah it's a money so his

2344
01:44:29,590 --> 01:44:27,830
credibility isn't damaged as much but it

2345
01:44:33,100 --> 01:44:29,600
clearly it had to have damaged their

2346
01:44:36,730 --> 01:44:33,110
credibility right right and what about

2347
01:44:38,710 --> 01:44:36,740
accountability and when I say that you

2348
01:44:40,420 --> 01:44:38,720
know someone was suggesting you know at

2349
01:44:43,060 --> 01:44:40,430
least these people should get a refund

2350
01:44:44,620 --> 01:44:43,070
and I know you know perhaps it could

2351
01:44:47,080 --> 01:44:44,630
make someone go bankrupt with all the

2352
01:44:50,980 --> 01:44:47,090
expenses but anyone want to chime in on

2353
01:44:54,310 --> 01:44:50,990
that is complicated you know if the

2354
01:44:55,900 --> 01:44:54,320
thing is if they had not it would have

2355
01:44:57,790 --> 01:44:55,910
never come together without the slides

2356
01:44:59,380 --> 01:44:57,800
they presented some information on

2357
01:45:01,900 --> 01:44:59,390
Roswell but it's tainted by everything

2358
01:45:03,490 --> 01:45:01,910
else you know I think as far as it being

2359
01:45:03,850 --> 01:45:03,500
connect with raw as well you know you

2360
01:45:05,320 --> 01:45:03,860
can't

2361
01:45:08,920 --> 01:45:05,330
going all the way and it does put a

2362
01:45:10,630 --> 01:45:08,930
stink on it but you know personally well

2363
01:45:14,440 --> 01:45:10,640
I'd only get into I'm not that

2364
01:45:16,510 --> 01:45:14,450
interested in Roswell but um as a show

2365
01:45:19,390 --> 01:45:16,520
it was like Kevin's on the other side

2366
01:45:21,310 --> 01:45:19,400
right all I do i do you know what I

2367
01:45:23,320 --> 01:45:21,320
respect his work look with Roswell all I

2368
01:45:24,760 --> 01:45:23,330
can say about it is you know even if you

2369
01:45:27,040 --> 01:45:24,770
disagree with it there are things to

2370
01:45:30,280 --> 01:45:27,050
examine investigate and everything and

2371
01:45:32,680 --> 01:45:30,290
you know if if there's a UFO case first

2372
01:45:34,690 --> 01:45:32,690
of all you want there to be a UFO the

2373
01:45:37,030 --> 01:45:34,700
story that actually have one you want

2374
01:45:39,400 --> 01:45:37,040
there to you know it's the first thing

2375
01:45:41,380 --> 01:45:39,410
you have to have is a UFO report and I

2376
01:45:42,490 --> 01:45:41,390
don't consider a picture or UFO report

2377
01:45:44,620 --> 01:45:42,500
because you're going to have a picture

2378
01:45:46,300 --> 01:45:44,630
of a board thing or a bird or something

2379
01:45:48,910 --> 01:45:46,310
like that and that no one actually saw

2380
01:45:51,670 --> 01:45:48,920
and shows up in a picture so what's key

2381
01:45:53,710 --> 01:45:51,680
to a UFO report is a person and it can

2382
01:45:54,730 --> 01:45:53,720
be supported by a picture you know when

2383
01:45:57,010 --> 01:45:54,740
you've got something to talk about

2384
01:45:59,350 --> 01:45:57,020
documents all that helps but you know

2385
01:46:01,210 --> 01:45:59,360
this was this was a picture and from the

2386
01:46:03,070 --> 01:46:01,220
picture they tried to make a story

2387
01:46:04,510 --> 01:46:03,080
around it and I said okay well here's a

2388
01:46:10,150 --> 01:46:04,520
picture this looks like Mamie Eisenhower

2389
01:46:12,850 --> 01:46:10,160
you know and it was it was the first

2390
01:46:16,690 --> 01:46:12,860
step in the trip was false the journey

2391
01:46:19,000 --> 01:46:16,700
ended up in a false direction so I don't

2392
01:46:21,190 --> 01:46:19,010
remember what started talking about but

2393
01:46:23,620 --> 01:46:21,200
that's is that all the time so it's okay

2394
01:46:26,470 --> 01:46:23,630
that's the time you're getting old yeah

2395
01:46:27,940 --> 01:46:26,480
i was gonna interrupt just to say that

2396
01:46:29,800 --> 01:46:27,950
rozell is a nice little town so you

2397
01:46:32,770 --> 01:46:29,810
shouldn't be uninterested in Roswell

2398
01:46:34,810 --> 01:46:32,780
it's a nice little town but that's a

2399
01:46:36,070 --> 01:46:34,820
whole other argument yeah well you know

2400
01:46:38,650 --> 01:46:36,080
some people would say we should be

2401
01:46:40,180 --> 01:46:38,660
talking about corona so anyway well

2402
01:46:42,640 --> 01:46:40,190
thank you was corona didn't have their

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01:46:45,820 --> 01:46:42,650
reputation smeared there's another

2404
01:46:48,250 --> 01:46:45,830
there's another question up here the

2405
01:46:50,320 --> 01:46:48,260
suggestion is the suggestion correct

2406
01:46:52,360 --> 01:46:50,330
that the first release of information

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01:46:55,690 --> 01:46:52,370
about the slides may have come from rich

2408
01:46:59,800 --> 01:46:55,700
Reynolds site wasn't carry the first

2409
01:47:02,650 --> 01:46:59,810
person contacted I'm not sure that's

2410
01:47:04,300 --> 01:47:02,660
true there may have been somebody else

2411
01:47:09,430 --> 01:47:04,310
contacted first and I'm trying to verify

2412
01:47:12,040 --> 01:47:09,440
that I say but but even so the first

2413
01:47:15,160 --> 01:47:12,050
public information came from a troubled

2414
01:47:16,940 --> 01:47:15,170
site so that that we the public learned

2415
01:47:19,250 --> 01:47:16,950
about the slides at

2416
01:47:22,880 --> 01:47:19,260
point and and the the public

2417
01:47:26,900 --> 01:47:22,890
investigation began from that point but

2418
01:47:29,210 --> 01:47:26,910
there was little that came out of the

2419
01:47:31,130 --> 01:47:29,220
slides camp and I know Tom and Don

2420
01:47:34,790 --> 01:47:31,140
signed non-disclosure agreements and

2421
01:47:36,740 --> 01:47:34,800
they worked very hard to honor those

2422
01:47:38,930 --> 01:47:36,750
agreements well it didn't then also

2423
01:47:41,750 --> 01:47:38,940
torpedo the whole thing the fact that

2424
01:47:43,790 --> 01:47:41,760
they couldn't share information I think

2425
01:47:46,220 --> 01:47:43,800
so right i think the ones of the one

2426
01:47:50,080 --> 01:47:46,230
lesson to be taken away from this is

2427
01:47:53,900 --> 01:47:50,090
that had the information be been shared

2428
01:47:55,550 --> 01:47:53,910
sooner well the course the presentation

2429
01:47:57,350 --> 01:47:55,560
in New Mexican Mexico City wouldn't have

2430
01:47:59,990 --> 01:47:57,360
taken place because we all have the

2431
01:48:02,570 --> 01:48:00,000
answers and I think that what we should

2432
01:48:05,650 --> 01:48:02,580
take away from this is and it doesn't

2433
01:48:07,520 --> 01:48:05,660
need to be any kind of a thermalized

2434
01:48:09,680 --> 01:48:07,530
coalition but there should be a loosely

2435
01:48:12,620 --> 01:48:09,690
based coalition of people who are

2436
01:48:14,270 --> 01:48:12,630
interested enough in the topic that we

2437
01:48:17,120 --> 01:48:14,280
say well we've got this case can you

2438
01:48:18,980 --> 01:48:17,130
help me solve it or you know what what

2439
01:48:20,840 --> 01:48:18,990
you make of this what is your area of

2440
01:48:24,260 --> 01:48:20,850
expertise going to help me understand

2441
01:48:26,300 --> 01:48:24,270
more about this cage and that sort of

2442
01:48:28,130 --> 01:48:26,310
what has happened with the look at the

2443
01:48:30,680 --> 01:48:28,140
slides but it's something that should go

2444
01:48:33,920 --> 01:48:30,690
on we should facilitate that so that we

2445
01:48:35,600 --> 01:48:33,930
have that sharing of information without

2446
01:48:38,300 --> 01:48:35,610
everybody sort of sitting on their

2447
01:48:41,780 --> 01:48:38,310
little piece of it and people had

2448
01:48:43,910 --> 01:48:41,790
criticized lens Springfield for his

2449
01:48:45,500 --> 01:48:43,920
status reports but that was kind of what

2450
01:48:47,900 --> 01:48:45,510
he was doing i have this piece of

2451
01:48:51,410 --> 01:48:47,910
information I don't know that much about

2452
01:48:53,150 --> 01:48:51,420
it but I'm hoping that if I publish this

2453
01:48:56,600 --> 01:48:53,160
somebody else who knows something about

2454
01:48:58,580 --> 01:48:56,610
it will be able to resolve this case and

2455
01:49:00,170 --> 01:48:58,590
I think you know that's that's kind of

2456
01:49:02,530 --> 01:49:00,180
what we ought to take away from this is

2457
01:49:05,870 --> 01:49:02,540
we need that create this this a

2458
01:49:07,850 --> 01:49:05,880
community a real community coalition

2459
01:49:09,950 --> 01:49:07,860
that will look at these things without

2460
01:49:11,900 --> 01:49:09,960
saying I can't believe you because your

2461
01:49:14,030 --> 01:49:11,910
Lance new moody and you're a skeptic or

2462
01:49:15,590 --> 01:49:14,040
I can't believe you because you're Kevin

2463
01:49:17,240 --> 01:49:15,600
Randall and you're a believer and this

2464
01:49:19,760 --> 01:49:17,250
sort of thing it's what is your

2465
01:49:23,750 --> 01:49:19,770
expertise can you help us understand

2466
01:49:26,180 --> 01:49:23,760
this further I totally agree that sounds

2467
01:49:27,310 --> 01:49:26,190
great you know this then how much time

2468
01:49:28,149 --> 01:49:27,320
we've got but I would

2469
01:49:30,609 --> 01:49:28,159
if you think you talked about

2470
01:49:33,160 --> 01:49:30,619
accountability okay well you talk about

2471
01:49:35,589 --> 01:49:33,170
accountability you know this is a long

2472
01:49:37,540 --> 01:49:35,599
up there's a lot of people agitated and

2473
01:49:40,450 --> 01:49:37,550
you know some people are are driven to

2474
01:49:43,990 --> 01:49:40,460
to malaise I think other people are

2475
01:49:45,700 --> 01:49:44,000
driving to mania and you know it's cause

2476
01:49:47,560 --> 01:49:45,710
of fear there's been a backlash some

2477
01:49:50,260 --> 01:49:47,570
people or it sounds like the cone for

2478
01:49:51,790 --> 01:49:50,270
Richard Dolan's head and I think you

2479
01:49:54,510 --> 01:49:51,800
know it was wondering it's like in some

2480
01:49:56,589 --> 01:49:54,520
ways you know he's a historian and is

2481
01:49:58,600 --> 01:49:56,599
you know some people rightly or wrongly

2482
01:50:02,169 --> 01:49:58,610
look at public figures as role models

2483
01:50:04,089 --> 01:50:02,179
man by appearing at some events like

2484
01:50:07,959 --> 01:50:04,099
this and others that are fairly

2485
01:50:10,990 --> 01:50:07,969
questionable hitam i'm wondering if fun

2486
01:50:13,660 --> 01:50:11,000
well i kind of look at him as a Pied

2487
01:50:18,819 --> 01:50:13,670
Piper I think he's leading people in the

2488
01:50:20,979 --> 01:50:18,829
wrong direction Kevin did you want to

2489
01:50:22,959 --> 01:50:20,989
comment on I mean number a number of

2490
01:50:25,209 --> 01:50:22,969
years ago I was at a convention in

2491
01:50:27,430 --> 01:50:25,219
Phoenix Arizona that I want to because I

2492
01:50:29,140 --> 01:50:27,440
wanted to go to mesa de cv to look for

2493
01:50:33,189 --> 01:50:29,150
the lost Adam diggings and I didn't find

2494
01:50:35,080 --> 01:50:33,199
it but one of the reporters there said

2495
01:50:37,569 --> 01:50:35,090
to me that I found it fairly credible I

2496
01:50:39,280 --> 01:50:37,579
don't know what I'd done them doing on

2497
01:50:41,950 --> 01:50:39,290
that opinion but but that's what she

2498
01:50:43,629 --> 01:50:41,960
said doesn't it hurt your credibility to

2499
01:50:46,959 --> 01:50:43,639
show up at a venue with some of these

2500
01:50:50,200 --> 01:50:46,969
other people and I said if we do not

2501
01:50:52,689 --> 01:50:50,210
show up to give the credible side of the

2502
01:50:56,290 --> 01:50:52,699
story then it looks like everything is

2503
01:50:58,419 --> 01:50:56,300
sort of in the world of whoo and so we

2504
01:51:00,010 --> 01:50:58,429
kind of have an obligation to present a

2505
01:51:01,810 --> 01:51:00,020
more credible scientific point of view

2506
01:51:04,030 --> 01:51:01,820
than some of these other people whose

2507
01:51:05,950 --> 01:51:04,040
credibility isn't the greatest and I'm

2508
01:51:09,760 --> 01:51:05,960
thinking specifically Harley bird who

2509
01:51:11,890 --> 01:51:09,770
was at one pointing the nephew of

2510
01:51:13,780 --> 01:51:11,900
Admiral Byrd and then pretty soon he

2511
01:51:16,060 --> 01:51:13,790
became a grandson of Admiral Byrd so he

2512
01:51:19,359 --> 01:51:16,070
got promoted in that way but Harley bird

2513
01:51:21,520 --> 01:51:19,369
was one of the people there and not

2514
01:51:23,140 --> 01:51:21,530
presenting the most credible programming

2515
01:51:25,479 --> 01:51:23,150
and so we have to look at it from that

2516
01:51:28,540 --> 01:51:25,489
point of view too you know if we have if

2517
01:51:33,470 --> 01:51:28,550
we all boycott those venues than the we

2518
01:51:38,090 --> 01:51:36,470
I have absolutely no idea how that just

2519
01:51:40,370 --> 01:51:38,100
happened everyone i had politan choice

2520
01:51:42,620 --> 01:51:40,380
this has been one of those shows I'm not

2521
01:51:45,830 --> 01:51:42,630
even on anywhere that could have been

2522
01:51:47,450 --> 01:51:45,840
clicked so I apologize for that we only

2523
01:51:49,700 --> 01:51:47,460
have I think we only have a couple

2524
01:51:53,660 --> 01:51:49,710
minutes left here and I'm waiting for a

2525
01:51:56,090 --> 01:51:53,670
countdown and so and there was so much

2526
01:51:57,500 --> 01:51:56,100
more I wanted to say because this you

2527
01:51:58,700 --> 01:51:57,510
know it just seems like it's short I'm

2528
01:52:02,060 --> 01:51:58,710
not really going to talk about this

2529
01:52:06,050 --> 01:52:02,070
anymore after tonight but you know being

2530
01:52:09,340 --> 01:52:06,060
in the antique estate sale business and

2531
01:52:11,479 --> 01:52:09,350
all that okay we have one minute left I

2532
01:52:13,760 --> 01:52:11,489
understand how this person that

2533
01:52:15,020 --> 01:52:13,770
originally got it looked through and

2534
01:52:16,580 --> 01:52:15,030
thought they had something special but

2535
01:52:18,830 --> 01:52:16,590
when they came to that particular slide

2536
01:52:21,110 --> 01:52:18,840
I can't imagine how they thought well

2537
01:52:23,570 --> 01:52:21,120
that's an alien slide and and someone

2538
01:52:26,840 --> 01:52:23,580
that does estate sales they're going to

2539
01:52:28,820 --> 01:52:26,850
they're going to want to have they're

2540
01:52:29,930 --> 01:52:28,830
going to want to make money so I'm sure

2541
01:52:32,990 --> 01:52:29,940
that's how this whole thing was

2542
01:52:35,000 --> 01:52:33,000
perpetuated and we only have like 30

2543
01:52:36,740 --> 01:52:35,010
seconds left if anyone wants to quickly

2544
01:52:40,400 --> 01:52:36,750
comment on that well I just well yeah I

2545
01:52:42,410 --> 01:52:40,410
want to encourage Kevin to write up the

2546
01:52:46,340 --> 01:52:42,420
sentiments he just expressed about

2547
01:52:48,740 --> 01:52:46,350
sharing information and the the secrecy

2548
01:52:51,620 --> 01:52:48,750
was a problem in this I think yet you

2549
01:52:53,360 --> 01:52:51,630
know a lot of progress can be made by

2550
01:52:57,470 --> 01:52:53,370
sharing information and listen to other

2551
01:52:59,300 --> 01:52:57,480
people and I think that that is the the

2552
01:53:01,460 --> 01:52:59,310
sad lesson in this and the way to start

2553
01:53:03,710 --> 01:53:01,470
rebuilding the credibility of the UFO

2554
01:53:07,100 --> 01:53:03,720
field all right I wish we could talk

2555
01:53:08,720 --> 01:53:07,110
longer everyone we have to wrap it up

2556
01:53:11,479 --> 01:53:08,730
for tonight thanks both you very much

2557
01:53:12,920 --> 01:53:11,489
for being on and Kevin I want you back

2558
01:53:14,750 --> 01:53:12,930
on the show again Curt you've been on a

2559
01:53:16,970 --> 01:53:14,760
few times and always you're always

2560
01:53:18,890 --> 01:53:16,980
welcome so that's it for our show

2561
01:53:21,470 --> 01:53:18,900
tonight I want to thank everyone for

2562
01:53:24,170 --> 01:53:21,480
helping out next week we have erich von

2563
01:53:26,540 --> 01:53:24,180
daniken on i'm pretty excited about that

2564
01:53:29,780 --> 01:53:26,550
and after that well that's our one hour

2565
01:53:31,729 --> 01:53:29,790
to we have Barbara Harris and when thank

2566
01:53:33,710 --> 01:53:31,739
everyone for helping out Peggy shunning

2567
01:53:35,810 --> 01:53:33,720
for managing the post book the facebook

2568
01:53:39,350 --> 01:53:35,820
page a post book that's a pretty good

2569
01:53:42,470 --> 01:53:39,360
one and I want to thank let's see Carrie

2570
01:53:44,810 --> 01:53:42,480
Lloyd White House and Bruce ranier for

2571
01:53:46,490 --> 01:53:44,820
the music and if you check out our

2572
01:53:47,240 --> 01:53:46,500
website we have a new blog just went up

2573
01:53:49,850 --> 01:53:47,250
Michael

2574
01:53:52,160 --> 01:53:49,860
loke just wrote a blog it's on NASA and

2575
01:53:55,580 --> 01:53:52,170
ancient aliens and thank you all very

2576
01:53:58,670 --> 01:53:55,590
much in looking forward to being back

2577
01:54:01,100 --> 01:53:58,680
next week same time Wednesday out Dark